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Section 8 abuse? Why aren't we surprised?
Valley Press ^ | Tuesday, February 19, 2008. | EDITORIAL

Posted on 02/20/2008 10:10:29 AM PST by BenLurkin

The Section 8 housing program - is funded by the federal government and administered by local housing authorities across the nation - is supposed to provide a hand up for needy or disabled people to make ends meet. It's not supposed to be permanent and, most of all, it's not supposed to be for people with criminal records, or people who use illegal drugs, or people who invite in unauthorized tenants or people who receive unreported income to cheat the system.

Yet, as we've been reporting for the last two years, all these activities are rampant in Section 8 housing.

We've written many times in praise of Lancaster and Palmdale, as well as Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich, for attacking the problem with regular inspections as well as for setting up a tip line to report fraud or abuse.

So it comes as no surprise that, as reported in a Los Angeles newspaper on Monday, federal auditors have found that Carlos Jackson, director of the county housing authority, has not properly administered the $200 million program.

Under Section 8, tenants pay what they are able for a house, condo or apartment, and the government pays the rest of the rent to the landlord. Tenants typically pay about a third of the full rent.

So, for example, if the rent is $1,500, the tenant pays $500 and the government $1,000.

But the Feds say money sent to Los Angeles County has been mismanaged - and they want millions of dollars back.

Problems include failing to check annually on tenants' eligibility and tenants receiving larger subsidies than they are entitled to.

Jackson disputes the findings.

(Excerpt) Read more at avpress.com ...


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1 posted on 02/20/2008 10:10:32 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

But the federal government is going to be able to administer a national health care system without ANY fraud, abuse, and mismanagement.

Really...We can believe them. (cough, cough)


2 posted on 02/20/2008 10:13:41 AM PST by Hoffer Rand
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To: BenLurkin

>Yet, as we’ve been reporting for the last two years, all these activities are rampant in Section 8 housing

Doh!


3 posted on 02/20/2008 10:13:42 AM PST by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: BenLurkin
Yet, as we've been reporting for the last two years, all these activities are rampant in Section 8 housing.

ONLY 2 years? Criminy, I was reporting violations of Section 8 more than 10 years ago.........to no avail, I might add.

4 posted on 02/20/2008 10:15:29 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: BenLurkin
Life cycle of Section 8 houses:

  1. Government's Section 8 furnishes house in thriving communities to people who cannot afford housing.
  2. Because the people living there have no real investment in the house, they run the property into the ground.
  3. Property values plummet to the point that good neighbors sell while they still have some property value left.
  4. More vermin moves in.
  5. Area becomes ghetto-ized.
  6. Wholesale condemning of houses occurs.
  7. Area razed.
  8. Area turned into industrial park.
  9. Government relocates people who ruined the area into thriving communities under Section 8 housing.
  10. Cycle repeats.

5 posted on 02/20/2008 10:38:54 AM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: Digital Sniper

Don’t forget 2(a)- good neighborhood school ruined.


6 posted on 02/20/2008 10:46:30 AM PST by doodad
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To: BenLurkin
The apartment complex behind the Quick Trip store is named Barcelona.
On welfare check day you would see the unemployed men with their jail tattoos bringing in 24 packs of beer.
We called them “Barcelona Briefcases.”
It was Section 8 Housing.
7 posted on 02/20/2008 10:49:13 AM PST by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: Hoffer Rand

Finally, someone has the courage to talk about the real Third Rail of AMerican Politics: the blight of Section 8 housing. Section 8 is government’s favorite way of taking over entire communities and riddling them with drunks, derelicts, and druggies. As the economic planner in my community told me: “Once Section 8 moves in, the economic future of the town is in the tank.”

Thank God, someone finally has the courage to address this scourge — because the politicians sure don’t!


8 posted on 02/20/2008 10:51:00 AM PST by lapster
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To: BenLurkin

Los Angeles? Mismanaged? Providing free housing to illegal aliens at the expense of the American taxpayer is what Section 8 is all about there. Did anybody else see Mayor Antonio R. Villaraigosa {D-Atzlan} on TV last night talking about Hillary in his weird accent? That man totally creeps me out.


9 posted on 02/20/2008 11:08:04 AM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: Digital Sniper
Yep. Some older apartment buildings here that have gone the Section 8 route have been transformed into crime-ridden slums in the space of a very few years. I have long argued that we ought to sell (or even give) public housing units to the tenants, with the condition that the buyers can’t sub-lease; at least there would be an incentive for the owners/residents to maintain and improve the units and organize to get rid of crime.
10 posted on 02/20/2008 11:09:57 AM PST by riverdawg
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To: Digital Sniper

I will go with you up to #5. Beyond that, I’m not so sure, although I do know it happens of occassion.

I lived in a Section 8 neighborhood for 11 years and there was never any wholesale condemnation. In fact only one house was declared unfit for habitation but only after a fire, then it was repaired.

I’ve been out of there 5 years and it still exists, nothing has been razed and it was primarily a section 8 neighborhood for more than 10 years before I bought my house there, and I’ve been out of there 5 years.


11 posted on 02/20/2008 11:13:15 AM PST by Gabz (Don't tell my mom I'm a lobbyist, she thinks I'm a piano player in a whorehouse)
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To: BenLurkin
This has been going on for a lot more than just two years.

Carolyn

12 posted on 02/20/2008 11:16:23 AM PST by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Gabz

I must be very fortunate in where I live . There is a Section 8 apartment complex about a mile away - I give a tenant there rides occasionally — have never seen any kind of problem in the area. Not saying there is no elgibility fraud — but no violence, obvious drug dealings, or any evidence of decay. Kids playing on the playground in a normal fashion. Quite a few units had nice Chrustmas decorations.


13 posted on 02/20/2008 11:18:27 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurtureā„¢)
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To: IrishCatholic

“Barcelona Briefcases.”

Yup.


14 posted on 02/20/2008 11:31:21 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: CDHart

That’s for sure. I started working in this program in 1984. Outright fraud on both sides, landlord and tenant. Property degradation? As a field inspector, I had to shoulder in more apartment doors than I care to count. Garbage piled so high on the floor you couldn’t even access the unit.

Had a woman try to bribe me once. Major slumlord in the town I worked in. Did a home inspection, found a number of items that would fail the unit [and henceforth deny the subsidy to the landlord until conditions remedied]. Told her she had to get them fixed. Overheard her tell the tenant in the next room ‘It will be okay, she’s just a girl [meaning me].’ Took me outside and offered me a very high paying job with all the perks if I would run interference for her with the Authority.....I offered her the chance to lead the way down into another part of the complex, where I promptly failed the entire BUILDING for a major cockroach infestation....

So much for the ‘just a girl’ idea. Wow, my first post and it’s a long one!


15 posted on 02/20/2008 11:35:59 AM PST by kozanne
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To: BenLurkin

I’ve encoutered Section 8 housing projects in my last two neighborhoods.

There’s been nothing but problems. Not just the neighborhoods, but the school buses and the schools. Cops around all the time.

Another terrible social idea and a huge waste of my money. My neighbors have been moving out like mad and I’m next.


16 posted on 02/20/2008 11:39:35 AM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Hoffer Rand

As always,

any liberal “solution” ends up exacerbating the problem.


17 posted on 02/20/2008 11:40:47 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: kozanne

Welcome newbie.


18 posted on 02/20/2008 11:49:22 AM PST by Ed Condon (Wanted, newer tag line in good condition.)
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To: lapster

>...riddling them with drunks, derelicts, and druggies.<<

And subsidizing it.


19 posted on 02/20/2008 11:50:28 AM PST by RobRoy
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To: Digital Sniper

Section 8 ruined East New Orleans.


20 posted on 02/20/2008 12:00:38 PM PST by BBell
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