Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

"Parties do not move toward a particular ideological group because of electoral defeat – they move toward a particular ideological group because that group is most motivated to back a single candidate."
1 posted on 02/14/2008 7:43:13 AM PST by K-oneTexas
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-72 next last
To: K-oneTexas

I’m getting that old Bob Dole feeling again.


2 posted on 02/14/2008 7:45:24 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: K-oneTexas

Why ? Conservatives have already lost the election with the nomination of Juan McCain. What good is a symbolic victory for a Republican label ?


3 posted on 02/14/2008 7:45:42 AM PST by libh8er
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: K-oneTexas

I am not going to give my vote out of fear of Hillary or Obama. If the GOP wants my vote, they had better start an “outreach” to conservatives like myself, just as they have an “outreach program” for hispanics. (Juan Hernandez).

This man is NOT afraid to leave the plantation.


4 posted on 02/14/2008 7:47:08 AM PST by tennmountainman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: K-oneTexas

I tend to agree. I do not buy an inevitable democrat landslide. Nor will I accept such a notion out of hand.

The fact is, we as conservatives are not getting what we hoped for or wanted in a candidate in this election. Most of that fault lies with us and with those we elected to go and do our business. Us for not holding their feet to the fire, and then not getting behind any single candidate for President to help do something about it (as in lead), and many of the GOP candidates elected earlier who got to DC and then made “nice” with the opposition and did not do the work we sent them there to do.

Be that as it may, things are what they are right now and we are left to make the most of it.

I do not believe or buy into any notion of capitulation or thowing my toys down and “going home” as a plan or policy for addressing it. Even with the candidate we have, there is simply too much at stake.

In particular, we can still hold ground in all of the following areas:

1) Abortion. McCain has a good record on supporting the life of any fetus in the womb. We owe it to those millions of innocenets to not throw in the towel here and add those lives to the other areas we will lose ground in.

2) The Supreme Court. McCain is much more likely to appoint judges onto the court who will make decisions based on the original intent of the founders than anything Hillary or Obama will appoint. In the abortion area this is critical because we are on the verge of being able to have the SCOTUS overturn Roe v Wade. This has taken 35 years to occur. I am not willing to sacrifice those 35 years and have to wait another 35 to get back where we are today.

3) The War against Islamic Jihad. McCane will stay on the offensive in this war. He may not do it exactly according to our liking (neither did Bush), but he will take the fight tenatiously to the enemy...something we definitely will not get from Obama or Hillary. Hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of American lives could depend on this. And the spirit and honor of those who have already sacrificed their lives in this regard compell us.

4) Tax cuts. I believe McCain will keep his pledge to make the Bush tax cuts permanent. He has stated that directly (as opposed to the continued wishy washy language IMHO and action on border issues). This will be critical for us economically and we know exactly that Obama or Hillary will do the opposite.

So, despite the areas where we will lose ground with McCain (and immigration, the border, and global climate are chief amongst those), there are other equally critical areas IMHO where we can still hold high ground. And from that high ground I believe we can mount a counter offensive on the other issues (particularly immigration and global climate) where we differ with McCain. We have shown we can do that already and must continue to fight him directly, remaining in his and the liberals face, while holding the other critical ground.

I am unwilling to cede ALL the ground. Capitulating, staying home, or voting for one of the other cretans will do that and it is something I simply cannot subscribne to.


5 posted on 02/14/2008 7:47:13 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: K-oneTexas

I have no plan to sit out 2008. I will vote for the most conservative candidate on the ballot.


6 posted on 02/14/2008 7:47:32 AM PST by Notary Sojac
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: K-oneTexas

RNC’s fault, they masterminded this train wreck.


7 posted on 02/14/2008 7:48:24 AM PST by RockyMtnMan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: K-oneTexas

I’ll vote for McMain when they modify the ballot, and the counting and reporting of them, to include the phrase...”IN PROTEST”.


9 posted on 02/14/2008 7:49:31 AM PST by papasmurf (Calm down! I've got Greenspan's book, you jerk!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: K-oneTexas

Yeah, vicious name calling is gonna bring all the wayward sheep back into the fold. Sure, that’s the ticket.

Do moderates and liberals in the Republican Party have any tools other than this? If not, then how are they much different from Dimocrats?


10 posted on 02/14/2008 7:50:04 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: K-oneTexas

Or maybe we move toward a particular group (or political party) because of principles. Something McCain seems to lack.


12 posted on 02/14/2008 7:52:08 AM PST by MizSterious (If it's Hillary v. McCain, I refuse to vote for EITHER liberal !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: K-oneTexas
He has always fought governmental corruption, even if that has led him to absurd extremes like campaign finance reform.

Umm, can you say Keating Five? Sure you can....

John McCain has more direct, personal, experience and involvement with corruption in politics than most.

Campaign finance reform was not about cleaning up corruption. It was about ensuring that the spoils of corruption only went to club members. And shredding First Amendment rights was not too great a price to pay for keeping the corrupted funding coming.

13 posted on 02/14/2008 7:52:21 AM PST by Natty Bumppo@frontier.net (The facts of life are conservative -- Margaret Thatcher)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: K-oneTexas

Conservatives have bent over backwards for the GOP for far too long. We are not going to bend over forwards. McCain prides himself on getting the non conservative vote. Screw him.


14 posted on 02/14/2008 7:52:28 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: K-oneTexas
Hot Dog, I'm convinced. I don't want to be a fool or an idiot. So, if I vote for McCain, and sellout my beliefs, I'm not stupid. The namecalling will stop??? Let me sign up right now because, gosh darn it, it really hurts my feelings when people call me stupid, and I don't want to be called stupid anymore..../s

Seriously, now that I've "calmed down" I won't be staying home, but let me repeat, I WILL NOT VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN. I will not vote for him in a box, I will not vote for him with a fox, I will not vote for him here or there, I will not vote for him ANYWHERE.
17 posted on 02/14/2008 7:52:55 AM PST by IMissPresidentReagan ("Don't give up your ideals, don't compromise, don't turn to expediency..."Ronald Reagan, 1976)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: K-oneTexas
A little ironic that a site who supports family security matters would support a candidate that claims we are torturing terrorist and wants to close the facility used to do so and bring them to U.S. soil.
19 posted on 02/14/2008 7:56:22 AM PST by McGruff (Pardon me if I resist being assimilated.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: K-oneTexas
The "sitting out" canard being harped is getting tiresome. Just because most conservatives refuse to vote for a liberal doesn't mean they are sitting out the election.

Sitting Out does not equal not voting for McCain

20 posted on 02/14/2008 7:56:40 AM PST by TADSLOS (Be a 3.6 percenter- Write in Duncan Hunter for POTUS!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: K-oneTexas

If Obama is the nominee there is no way in hell I am sitting out this election. The dude scares me.


22 posted on 02/14/2008 7:57:16 AM PST by crazydad
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: K-oneTexas

Dear Ben,

It’s called “mavericking”.

Conservatives have learned from the best!


23 posted on 02/14/2008 7:58:06 AM PST by roses of sharon (Who will be McCain's maverick?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: K-oneTexas

Many are prepared to cut off their nose to spite their face. Can McCain be any worse than Jorge Bush? Yet, you criticize “Dubya” here and you’re called a Dim mole or worse.


25 posted on 02/14/2008 7:58:19 AM PST by jaime1959
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: K-oneTexas

I will never “stay home” on election day.

I also will never vote for John McCain.


26 posted on 02/14/2008 7:58:27 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: K-oneTexas

Don’t need some 24 year old punk giving me advice.


29 posted on 02/14/2008 7:59:54 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: K-oneTexas

“the GOP may have to go through the purifying ritual of cataclysmic electoral defeat.”

If Obama secures the nomination (looking more and more inevitable) I don’t see how McCain can possibly win, regardless of what conservatives do. The “cataclysmic electoral defeat” is almost a certainty, the subsequent “purifying ritual” - we’ll see if that can happen.


34 posted on 02/14/2008 8:01:33 AM PST by eclecticEel (oh well, Hunter 2012 anyone?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-6061-72 next last

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson