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To: Rurudyne; conservatism_IS_compassion; Avoiding_Sulla; B4Ranch; Jim Robinson
It's really sort of sad we've come to needing clever explanations that evil really is what it appears to be.

Sigh.

Mr. Sayed just graduated from kindergarten, and has his parents to thank for teaching him the moral metrics of Judaism by which to even recognize evil. The kids in the schools he wants to save are bereft of such standards, and do not possess the means to recognize, much less understand how destructive are their unconscious beliefs.

However, it's one thing to wake up to the recognition that what liberals believe is evil. It is quite another to learn that the elites KNOW their policies are evil and and have selected them BECAUSE they are evil. They know that they are destroying Western Civilization, fomenting anarchy, violence, disease, and poverty. That is what they want.

It's a bitch to accept it, much less to incorporate those lessons into a positive antithesis. Mr. Sayed's next step is to learn why these thugs so desire to do evil, who they are, and what they plan. My hope is that in learning this desire is born in the hope for a Messiah, he will come to realize He's already been here.

When He does come back, He'll be pissed.

20 posted on 02/10/2008 5:28:05 AM PST by Carry_Okie (We have people in power who love evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
My hope is that in learning this desire is born in the hope for a Messiah, he will come to realize He's already been here.

His Jewish upbringing gave him all the tools he needs to understand Man's nature and Adam's sin. But it brought him no means of redemption. Jesus brought grace and forgiveness; not knowledge of good and evil. I've often said that while God is not a conservative, Satan is almost certainly a liberal.

113 posted on 02/10/2008 8:01:47 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Carry_Okie
Hi Carry_Okie,

Good post.

I've been playing around with the reasoning that Mr.Sayet uses and have gained some possibly useful, though hardly doctrine-worthy, insights by lining this us against both Genesis and the nature of salvation.

The short-short version would be:
Before the fall, because the man and woman had not discriminated for (i.e. eaten from) either the Tree of Life or the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil they could be said to be effectively indiscriminately good (again, after that limited sense).

After the fall I would describe people as discriminately evil in the sense that we often want to do what is good and right but we simply have a relatively easier time being self-absorbed jerks (putting it mildly).

This lines up with the point being made when you realize that many of these "liberals" believe themselves to be innately good, and so that opens the door to this inane notion that the very act of trying to be right is what has caused all the world's problems.

But to give up "trying to be right" is not to become good but to become, in essence, indiscriminately evil. To render yourself incapable of being good to whatever degree of commitment you ascribe to the notion.

This is different from being simply a rotten and wicked person like a Hitler or a Lenin or a Mao, but it does disable a unreasoning person's ability to even judge such human horrors apart from sentimental or emotional baggage they may have inherited. In the extreme they may not even be able to believe that such men really were evil at all, only that they were trying to be right after some perverse notion.

As for the condition of a saint, to the degree that we do obey God and His Holy Spirit rather than this troublesome body of death we could be said to have become discriminately good; however, until the BoD (arguably a prime example of a "second master") the is finally and fully removed that should be confessed to be a technical truth rather than a factual one.

Beyond that I see the righteousness of a resurrected saint to be both supernatural — since we would then have the Holy Spirit and no more nagging competition from the BoD — and natural — since we would then be fully aware that even knowing about evil (never mind having been or acted evilly) is in no way a kind of wisdom at all, and indeed such represents great and horrific folly and madness (which we will not undertake ever again).

140 posted on 02/11/2008 10:16:38 AM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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