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To: B4Ranch; jeffers

Are there any before and after pictures of Pier 6?

I am interested in after pictures that show the entire structure of the pier.

Jeffers has again done an outstanding job of documenting the point of failure of the center span. His ability to document with pictures and expalanations are unmatched.

My gut instinct tells me that the failure of the center span at Gusset U10 was an event that had its beginning in a shift of Pier 6 towards the river due to scour or failure of the soil beneath the pier footings. The horizontal shift popped the entire bridge off of Pier 7, after the strain had built up to an intolerable level. Thus the approach to Pier 7 fell and a portion of the center span wound up on the side of the pier, rather than just failing downward. The horizontal shift towards Pier 7 also pulled the approach span off of Pier 6 as well, causing it to fall.

The bridge failed under a situation when it was nowhere near its design capacity—no ice, no snow, no wind, no eight lanes of bumper to bumper traffic, and no lessening of its factor of safety, and it was standing for 40 years.

The bridge fell so violently and so quickly that something foundationally was wrong. The result shows up in how the piers looked after the collapse.

I don’t doubt that Plate U10 failed, as the failure of any one plate would have brought the center span down. There were also fifteen other plates that showed a failed condition, no doubt a result of the collapse itself.

I may be all wet, but I recall a post collapse picture taken the evening of August 1st that showed that Pier 6 had moved. Pier 7 did not move at all, as it was locked in by concrete, whereas Pier 6 was in the water of the river.

I’m not a structural engineer like Jeffers, but something about the gusset plate theory doesn’t ring right to me as the only initiator of the entire event.


51 posted on 01/16/2008 10:22:39 AM PST by exit82 (How do you handle Hillary? You Huma her.)
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To: exit82

I don’t know where to locate the pictures you mention. Your theory does make sense to me.


63 posted on 01/16/2008 3:23:24 PM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: exit82; jeffers; B4Ranch
"My gut instinct tells me..."

Still chasing the "scour" ghost, eh? I thought we put that theory to rest shortly after the failure... :-(

IM(NS)HO, the tilt of Pier 6 was what we in failure analysis call a "verified ugly" -- an obvious artifact that distracts those who are prone to jump to conclusions from the real point and cause of failure. Again, IM(NS)HO, Jeffers has it "nailed".

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In the period immediately after the collapse, I did extensive, frame-by-frame time-lapse analysis of the security cam video taken of the pier 6 end of the bridge -- looking across the river from the locks area at the pier 6 end of the main span. And, IIRC, I copied you on those findings...

Although the splash/spray (after the main span hit the water, of course) obscured much of the pier itself, I detected no riverward shift of the top of pier 6 until after the mainspan had collapsed, and after the splash had subsided and after failure of the side spans on the pier 6 side was well underway.

IOW, the tilt of pier 6 was one of the very last things to occur -- not the first.

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In failure analysis, "gut instinct" can lead you into never-never land. Try presenting "gut instinct" as your data some time at the Reliability Physics Symposium -- but put your earplugs in first... '-)

64 posted on 01/16/2008 5:33:55 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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