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Posted on 01/08/2008 8:09:07 AM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee
http://images.google.com/images?safe=off&q=sibel+edmondsAnd there is just way too much intersection with the left-wing kook-o-sphere to feel completely safe with any of this speculation.
Frankly, in all honesty, the most likely explanation is that Sibel Edmonds is the mole who was planted to serve up disinformation about American officials.
NEVERTHELESS, let's play along with her story, and assume that there's a kernel of truth to it - apparently she says that the State Department official who ran the nuclear secrets espionage operation was a Clinton-era bureaucrat, named Marc Grossman, who now works for Clinton's defense secretary, William Cohen, in a lobbying outfit called "The Cohen Group":
Sibel Edmonds. Investigations ThwartedNote that Grossman served as Clinton's ambassador to Turkey, from November 1994 to June 1997, as Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs, from August 1997 to May 2000, and as Director General of the Foreign Service and Director of Human Resources, from June 2000 to February 2001; then finally, in the Bush Administration, Grossman was promoted to Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, in March 2001 - all of which would tend to jibe with Sibel Edmonds's allegations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Cm-uRQmfUUIs Sibel Edmonds trustworthy?
Steve Sailer
January 8, 2008
isteve.blogspot.comMarc Grossman
Vice Chairman
mgrossman@cohengroup.net
cohengroup.net
Marc GrossmanBy the way - believe it or not - Marc Grossman is even mixed up in the Valerie Plame affair:
wikipedia.orgISI chief's parleys continue in US
September 10, 2001
karachipage.com
[scroll down]The Pakistan connection
Michael Meacher
Thursday July 22, 2004
guardian.co.uk
New Blogger, More Bolton, and Other NewsBut now google "Sandy Berger" and "Marc Grossman" [note that "Marc" is often mis-spelled as "Mark"]:
thewashingtonnote.com
GOOGLE: Sandy Berger Marc GrossmanYou get literally thousands of hits which place Berger & Grossman together in the Clinton administration; for instance, they appeared together at a press conference concerning Clinton's November 1999 trip to Europe, when Grossman was serving as Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs:
GOOGLE: Sandy Berger Mark Grossman
GOOGLE: +"Sandy Berger" +"Marc Grossman"
GOOGLE: +"Sandy Berger" +"Mark Grossman"
PRESS BRIEFING BY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR SANDY BERGER, ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE FOR EUROPEAN AFFAIRS MARK GROSSMAN, AND SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT AT NSC CHRIS HILL ON THE PRESIDENT'S TRIP TO EUROPEAnd today, Sandy Berger & Marc Grossman serve together on the advisory board of America Abroad Media:
globalsecurity.org
The Advisory Board of America Abroad MediaBut now suppose that the National Archives documents which Sandy Berger was trying to destroy did not so much implicate Clinton Administration incompetence in failing to prevent 9-11 as they instead implicated Marc Grossman in nuclear espionage.
americaabroadmedia.org
And suppose that when the Justice Department tried to throw the book at Berger, he told them, "Oh yeah? Well if you do that, then I'm going on 60 Minutes and telling Mike Wallace how you promoted a double agent to Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, in March 2001, and how that double agent was selling nuclear secrets to the Turks, who, in turn, were passing them on to the Israelis and the Pakistanis."
If that's the case, then it would go a long way towards explaining why Berger got off with a slap on the wrist.
Are you saying #42 is insufficient? I can’t edit comments. Please let me know.
I went to all that work to place Berger & Grossman together, but now the connection is gone.
Ok, I’ll restore your #1, but please understand that antiwar.com material is not welcome, and that it is by their request.
Oh, no it’s not - it’s simply down thread a bit.
So, we have Berger not destroying the stolen data, but using it as political leverage? Hmmm...
Where in the article does she do this because I can't see it.
Among the hours of covert tape recordings, she says she heard evidence that one well-known senior official in the US State Department was being paid by Turkish agents in Washington who were selling the information on to black market buyers, including Pakistan... Edmonds was later to see the scope of the Pakistani connections when it was revealed that one of her fellow translators at the FBI was the daughter of a Pakistani embassy official who worked for Ahmad. The translator was given top secret clearance despite protests from FBI investigators... Edmonds's employment with the FBI lasted for just six months. In March 2002 she was dismissed after accusing a colleague of covering up illicit activity involving Turkish nationals.
Thanks for the ping.Will read later.Bump.
Madeleine Halfbright said openly that the clinton administration didn’t think the US should be the lone super-power int he world. The clinton administration spent more time and effrot on keeping fialures from airing and effecting the political futures of clintonistas, so every thing this lady says is very easy to believe! Look for the clinton machine to do ANYTHING to get back into power. Obama may not even live to run against the Pubbies if it looks like he is going to sweep the Rodham-rodent aside ... the clintons are more ruthless and godless and evil than people could even imagine. Barry Obama is not a man to be envied what with the clintons seeing him as a threat to their empowerment schemes.
Thanks for the ping!
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Funny you should mention those two...from a previous post of mine (hope the links still work):
Been doing a lot of research on this. It was Marc Grossman who initiated this whole thing per the article Libby says Powell, Armitage and Grossman were source for Plame Leak - Insight Mag April 3-9, 2006 Issue
Grossman requested that Carl Ford, Jr. draft the memo, which Ford sent to Grossman on June 10, 2003. [Note: Wilson’s column was not published until July 6, so this was not a response to that column but to the SOTU speech] Grossman wanted the memo as background to use at a White House meeting on criticism of President Bush for using the Niger claim in his State of the Union speech. On July 6, 2003, Armitage asked Ford to send a copy of the memo to Powell on AF-1. Ford changed the date and addressed it to Powell, but used the same text in the memo. And per the above linked article, it was Grossman that told Libby about Plame and he was also the first one to point a finger at Libby when this broke.
We know Armitage had no loyalty to Bush, but it went even further than that…from a story I found last week:
Kerry Exploring Cabinet Options
An excerpt:
Clarice Feldman gives us another interesting tidbit of info about Grossman:
If Fitzgerald has known since January 12, 2004 of the name of the leaker, why is he still protecting him, and why is he treating the leaker’s (that is, Armitage’s) source, who is almost certainly Marc Grossman, former Under Secretary of State for political affairs, the man reportedly the source for the first accusations against Libby and Rove, as an impartial witness to the events? In the discovery process it turned out that Grossman was a longtime friend of Wilson’s, dating to their college days at the University of California—Santa Barbara. Is it likely that the famous prosecutor missed this fact?More on Grossman at Strata-sphere. Seems he traveled with some cohorts of John Kerry's...Rand Beers in particular. Grossman went to the same college and graduated the same year as {drum roll please} Joe Wilson and also had the same job in a neighboring country. Strato-sphere also has some interesting comments about a Turkey connection. You remember Turkey…the country that balked at allowing our forces passage into northern Iraq?
And another player in this, Carl Ford, Jr. is no "loyal Republican" either...
As is often the case in these partisan bloodlettings, Bolton's attacker is being presented by the media not only as being a devout public servant - with no axe to grind - but a conservative Republican to boot, a claim that seems to fly in the face of his past political contributions as recorded by the FEC.Links to sources of that info at the above link.$500 to Sen. John Kerry (D-MA), $1,000 to Rep. Charles B. Rangel (D-NY), $1,000 to Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA) and $500 to Sen. Daniel K. Inouye (D-Hawaii).
The Washington Times offered the following: "Gary Jarmin, a Republican consultant and president of Global Dominion Communications, questioned Mr. Ford's claim of loyalty."Bottom line, is that to the best of my recollection, Carl always considered himself a Democrat," said Mr. Jarmin, a longtime Washington lobbyist. "If he is now a self-described 'loyal Republican,' then he must have had a fairly recent conversion." - Washington Times April 20, 2005
Democrat Ford is a longtime DC lobbyist, something absent from most press accounts of his sink-Bolton campaign. Before he went to the State Department he ran his own lobbying operation - Ford Associates. Currently he is employed as the Executive Vice President of Cassidy & Associates, Washington's most powerful - and liberal - public policy consulting group.
Cassidy & Associates was founded by Gerald Cassidy, former counsel to George McGovern's ultra-lefty Committee on Hunger, he is also a former General Counsel to the DNC - 'nuff said.
Then there is the recent article by Novak:
A peculiar convergence had joined Armitage and me on the same historical path. During his quarter of a century in Washington, I had no contact with Armitage before our fateful interview. I tried to see him in the first 2 years of the Bush administration, but he rebuffed me — summarily and with disdain, I thought.Then, without explanation, in June 2003, Armitage’s office said the deputy secretary would see me. This was two weeks before Joe Wilson surfaced himself as author of a 2002 report for the CIA debunking Iraqi interest in buying uranium in Africa.
This implies the leak was deliberate. Looks to me like a few people need to be prosecuted for an attempted coup against a sitting President.
The Clinton machine has to do ANYTHING to get back into power, they and their allies must have the cover for their traitorous misdeeds. Obama may not even live to run against the Pubbies if it looks like he is going to sweep the Rodham-rodent aside. I agree that Obama will not be President!
Watch the Youtube video & read some of the other stories [for instance, Sailer speculates on some of the really bizarre ethnic ties within the region].
She fingers Marc Grossman as the mole on the Turkish payroll.
ping for some light reading...
In October of 1998 Mr G was returning from Russia and said Sandy Berger was on the same plane. I found that odd, since there was never any coverage of him doing anything for the State Dept at that time and since it was a public plane with no pomp or ceremony tied to him. I have always wondered what he was doing.
Have you seen this?
“THE” Reason We Went Into Iraq
Inside Scoop - Fox News Channel ^ | Sunday, 5-23-2004 | Eric Shawn & John Loftus
Posted on 05/23/2004 6:53:42 PM EDT by Matchett-PI
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1140929/posts
Bump for later
The ATC is led by Ret. General Brent Scowcroft, who serves as Chairman of the Board; George Perlman of Lockheed Martin, the Executive Vice President; other board members include: Former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger, Ret. General Elmer Pendleton, Ret. General Joseph Ralston, Ret. Col. Preston Hughes, Alan Colegrove of Northrop Grumman, Frank Carlucci of Carlyle Group, Christine Vick of Cohen Group, Representative Robert Wexler, Former Rep. Ed Whitfield…Basically many formers; statesmen, ‘dime a dozen generals,’ and representatives.
One Stop Shop: The Cohen Group:
Like many other former statesmen, William Cohen, former Secretary of Defense, dived into the business of lobbying and consulting, and created his own Washington firm, The Cohen Group, which works for some of the largest companies in the defense industry, such as Lockheed Martin, and serves numerous foreign players. The Cohen Group is one of the primary and most active members of the American Turkish Council (ATC). Cohen’s client, Lockheed Martin, happens to be on the board of ATC, in addition to being listed as ATC’s top paying client.
Fmr. Undersecretary Marc Grossman
The second Vice Chairman of Cohen’s firm is Marc Grossman, who was the U.S. Undersecretary for Political Affairs in the State Department from 2001 until 2005. From November 1994 to June 1997, he served as U.S. Ambassador to Turkey. In January 2005 Grossman resigned from his position and joined the Cohen Group. In late December 2005, Grossman joined Ihlas Holding, a large and alleged shady Turkish company which is also active in several Central Asian countries. Grossman is reported to receive $100,000 per month for his advisory position with Ihlas.’ Most and foremost, Grossman is known for his extraordinarily cozy relationship with Turkey and Israel; followed by Pakistan.
Here is Grossman as the key speaker at an ATC conference in March 2002; while Undersecretary of State; and here it is followed by Grossman’s visit to Turkey in December 2002, to approve the $3 billion U.S. aid to Turkey for the Iraq Cooperation deal. There he goes again, Grossman back to Turkey in December 2003 re: approval of Turkey’s eligibility to participate in tenders for Iraq’s reconstruction! Here is Grossman as the key speaker at an ATC Conference held at the Omni Shoreham Hotel in December 2004, while Undersecretary. Here is Grossman as the guest of honor and key speaker at the American Turkish Society dinner in New York in February 2005, while Undersecretary. Here he is again, at the lavish Turkish Ottoman Dinner Gala in November 2005. Here is Grossman at the award dinner gala by the Turkish lobby group, the Assembly of American Turkish Association (ATAA), in Chicago, receiving his award in November 2005. Here is Grossman as the key speaker at the ATC annual conference in March 2006, and later, in June 2006, at the MERIA Conference to discuss Turkey’s importance to the U.S. & Israel. This list can go on for pages and pages; but I believe you all get it; right?
Please do not make the grave and naive mistake of assuming that Grossman found and obtained his highly lucrative and questionable positions after his resignation in January 2005. Within two months after his confident resignation, this boy got the vice chairmanship of the Cohen Group. Only six months later, Grossman ended up securing a ‘special advisory’ position for a foreign company that reported his monthly fee at $100,000 a month. The industrious Grossman seems to be juggling so many balls simultaneously: numerous foreign sponsored dinner speeches, the demanding pimping activities of Cohen’s firm, the very ‘special advising’ of a shady foreign company…
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