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Goodbye Fred
Townhall.com ^ | 1/5/07 | Selena Zito

Posted on 01/05/2008 9:05:25 AM PST by pissant

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To: Owen

“South Carolina will be diluted on its own day by Nevada “

I think SC will be the major nut to crack for Fred. If he doesn’t win 1rst outright, IMO he’s done, and even if he wins 1rst place outright, that just gets him a ticket to a bigger fight where it will be still be an uphill battle for him.
JMO but I think he’ll finish 2nd or 3rd in SC behind Huckabee and Mitt(provided Mitt doesn’t drop out before then). With a2nd or worse finish in SC he’ll either drop out before Super Tuesday, or take such a drubbing that there will no longer be any point in continuing. Again, that’s JMHO.


201 posted on 01/05/2008 10:14:15 AM PST by snarkybob (')
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To: Owen

Not necessarily true, a brokered convention can be had by the candidate who is the majorities second choice. If a candidate doesn’t get the nomination the first time around all bets are off. All the delegates are released from their obligations and can support whom they feel is the best choice. At this point the deals will be flying.


202 posted on 01/05/2008 10:15:00 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: John123
Like it or not, and obviously the average Freeper doesn't like it, the slam on Thompson for some time has been that he didn't want it badly enough. So he did make a mistake even alluding to that in his answer.

It may be the presentation of the MSM on what he said, but the average voter will not be looking for the entire quote to see if it is "cherry picked" or not. That is one thing that Fred fails at miserably - the sound bite.

It would be wonderful if Freepers could go out and knock on every individual door in America to tell them that Freds words were misconstrued, but let's face it, it ain't going to happen. So when he says things like he doesn't really want the job, even though he meant that he didn't want to campaign for the job, those things stick. Just like when he said last week in Iowa that he was going to come in second, and raised two fingers to indicate that, it doesn't matter that later on that wasn't what he meant. He said it, and it sticks. Most people do not spend hours on the internet looking for the real context of a quote. They hear the quote, and move on.

I agree with you, that whether it was what he meant or not, he gave the impression, again rightly or wrongly through the media that he really didn't "want" the job.

203 posted on 01/05/2008 10:15:33 AM PST by codercpc
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To: Petronski
He did not and you've just lied again.

Good plan. Repeat it enough and you will believe in anything.

204 posted on 01/05/2008 10:15:36 AM PST by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: TLI; lonevoice

I do not know how often you guys post threads, but when a thread gets scores of responses, it is nearly impossible to answer each person.

Why Fred should drop out and support Hunter? Because Hunter is a better choice for CIC than anyone running.

Why I don’t like Fred? I don’t dislike him, he’s just a moderate


205 posted on 01/05/2008 10:16:16 AM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: NittanyLion
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, huh

Actually, I could say that about all the Fredheads.

206 posted on 01/05/2008 10:16:34 AM PST by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: pissant

207 posted on 01/05/2008 10:16:56 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Salvation

I hate to root for Mccain in NH. I’d rather say Goodbye Mccain.


208 posted on 01/05/2008 10:17:04 AM PST by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: PAR35
—78% Counted: Huckabee - 34% Romney - 25% McCain - 14% Thompson - 13% Paul - 10% Giuliani - 4% Hunter - 0%

By the end of the night, though, Fred did edge out McCain for third.

209 posted on 01/05/2008 10:17:27 AM PST by Bob
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To: John123

You’re not entitled to your own truth, and several posters have pointed out your lie with the actual facts.


210 posted on 01/05/2008 10:17:56 AM PST by Petronski (Willard Myth Romney: 51% negatives)
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To: G.Mason
Thompson does not want the presidency in the Hillary power mad sense. Instead, he IS running (and making the necessary sacrifices) for the presidency precisely because he believes that in the capacity of POTUS, he can "do things only a pesident can do" and ensure this Nations course more closely resembles the course set forward and bound by the pricipals of our founding fathers. (e.g. constructionist Judges)

So parsing and ignoring the full body of Thompson's comments over his campaign to prop up a manufactured negative poisens the politic process.

People are just sick and tired of these painfully transparent dirty tricks.

211 posted on 01/05/2008 10:18:19 AM PST by Eddie01
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To: John123
Actually, I could say that about all the Fredheads.

How so? Thompson supporters read the entire passage, understood that portion in context, and interpreted accordingly. Then there's people like yourself who are either incapable of doing so, or lack the intellectual honesty to include context when posting the quote.

212 posted on 01/05/2008 10:18:27 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Owen
I don't deny the logic of your calculations. Since November or so (when Fred's numbers sank) I have felt myself that if he pulls this out it will be one of the greatest political stories ever told.

During Nov, when his numbers were sinking he produced policy positions which settled remaining doubts I had about him. It's at that time that I concluded that he was one of the most (if not the most) serious candidates in the race.

I watched his 17 minute video to Iowans and found it to be powerful. I thought his "after-Iowa" speech ("ticket to the next dance") was very classy. He does not appear to have engaged in the type of attack ads that others have.

I send him money about on a weekly basis now, here and there, as I have extra funds (I remain far below the legal limit).

He has made me willing to go the distance psychologically with his campaign. The day after he drops out, I will consider alternatives.

213 posted on 01/05/2008 10:18:37 AM PST by ReveBM
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To: pissant
Because Hunter is a better choice for CIC than anyone running.

He cannot run a campaign that escapes the MOE, he's sure as hell not qualified to run the United States.

214 posted on 01/05/2008 10:18:59 AM PST by Petronski (Willard Myth Romney: 51% negatives)
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To: pissant

Hunter should have taken on Boxer or Feinstein at some point if he wanted to run for President. Even with a loss, he’d have a higher profile and be viable.


215 posted on 01/05/2008 10:19:58 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: codercpc

Fred should have waited for a brokered convention, then he could have had the nomination for the asking.

Now it will be Jeb Bush who benefits from a brokered convention.


216 posted on 01/05/2008 10:20:30 AM PST by barryg
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To: snarkybob

IMHO Huck and Mitt both might be gone. Mitt is up against the wall in NH if he doesn’t win only his money will keep him in. Huckabee has to bring a big bounce from Iowa and the early polls aren’t showing that. He won’t be the only “flash in the pan” to come out of Iowa.


217 posted on 01/05/2008 10:20:41 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: codercpc
I agree with you, that whether it was what he meant or not, he gave the impression, again rightly or wrongly through the media that he really didn't "want" the job.

Thank you! I never said I didn't like Fred. Fred made a BIG mistake in my opinion and unfortunately, that is the perception many people have of Fred now. So we will see how he does in the next few primaries...

218 posted on 01/05/2008 10:20:47 AM PST by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: John123
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, huh

Actually, I could say that about all the Fredheads.

LOL! Your own posted quote doesn't support your claim and you think Fred's supporters have a reading comprehension problem?

219 posted on 01/05/2008 10:21:29 AM PST by Bob
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To: Vision
Fred's future depends on South Carolina

Reality is Fred may have problems winning even in Tennessee. I'm not seeing any Fred yard signs yet just a few very small window stickers. But I have seen some Paul yard signs though. I think what I've thought all along Fred is simply running as a place holder against Rudy. Once Wudy is eliminated from the races so will it go with Fred. Who will Fred support? Likely McCain or Mitt. Either one are more to W's liking who is likely behind a lot of this. Fred's just agreed to go along for the ride it seems.

220 posted on 01/05/2008 10:21:30 AM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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