NBC says some find bookcase and Christmas lights offensive (Huckabee Merry Christmas)

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[Coleus]

NBC says some find bookcase and Christmas lights offensive

Candidate wishing voters Merry Christmas upsets some folks

The latest effort to spread the idea that religion has no place in the public square comes as a response to a TV spot produced by presidential candidate Mike Huckabee.

I urge you to watch the two video clips I have placed in this e-mail. First, is the ad by former Governor Huckabee wishing people a Merry Christmas. Click here to watch the 30-second ad.

Next, is a clip from the Today Show (Dec. 18), hosted by Meredith Vieira, on which Governor Huckabee was a guest. Vieira opens the interview talking about how some say the ad is sending an overt religious appeal to voters.

Some have become so openly hostile to the Christian faith that they are upset when a candidate simply wishes viewers Merry Christmas and mentions that --after all-- Christmas is the day Christians celebrate the birth of Christ.

The governor is accused of putting a cross in the background of his ad. The 'cross' they find offensive is nothing more than a bookcase. The critics say also that three lights stand for the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit! What is disappointing is that the media grabs such a concoction and makes big news out of this ad.

To me, these accusations are utterly silly, and biased. Watch the clip from the Today Show. There are those who feel that nothing religious, especially wishing people Merry Christmas, should be made by anyone seeking public office. That is the attitude of those who want to drive religion from the public square.

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Sincerely,



Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman American Family Association

[Picklezz]

"Feeling a little arrogant and intellectually superior today?"

Certainly not. If you are truly conservative and you listen to Duncan Hunter and do some research into his take and plans for the issues, I dare say you would not have been so nasty. Our country needs a strong clear thinking leader. Duncan Hunter is that man. Without doubt.

[gridlock]

We disagree on the facts, therefore we disagree on the conclusion.

You, apparently, find it reasonable to conclude that the people who staged this finely crafted scene, where various elements rotate into and out of prominence, while the candidate remains the rock-steady focus, failed to control the big, white element in their othewise dark and muted composition. You find it reasonable that the placement of the ornaments overhanging the edge of the shelf, in the location necessary to eliminate the highlight formed by the vertical divider in the upper left quadrant as the bookshelf was spot-lit from above and to the left and preserve the contrast of the cross formed by the front edges, was accidental. You find it reasonable that the highly trained and professional people who reviewed this scene somehow failed to notice the most brightly lit element as it rotated across the screen and directly behind the subject. You accept the candidates contention that the advertisment was shot hastily and not thoroughly reviewed before it was placed in the critical market of this election right before Christmas.

You accept all of these things as reasonable, and I do not. Given your opinion of the underlying facts, I would agree that your conclusions are correct. You are more insulting in making them than I would be, but that is a matter of style.

I would beg you indulgence, though, and ask you to answer a hypothetical question. It is an indulgence because many people refuse to answer a hypothetical question, because often it is a rhetorical trap. I do not intend to trap you or be unfair, however. We disagree on underlying facts, I accept that.

However, if you were to accept for the sake of argument the position that the shot was carefully crafted to insert the Christian Cross into the shot using an “accidental” element, and that the Candidate is lying about it now, how would that make you feel about Huckabee? Would you find a “deniable” use of the Cross, and subsequent denials, to be offensive?

Again, this is a hypothetical question. Feel free to add all the provisos and flags you want to your response. I assure you I will not quote you out of context or use your answer in a deceptive manner.

[Huck]

I was talking about Iowans. Are you from Iowa?

[spanalot]

“He lied that the cross image wasn’t there, wasn’t intentional. “

I saw the interviews and I dont recall him saying anything like this.

[spanalot]

““He asked folks to believe it was unintentional...”
reference please.”
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20071220_huckabee_denies_subliminal_cross/

See it and hear it in his own words......”

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Well, I listened again just for you and he said “we were shocked” and he said “Its a bookshelf”

Now, how is that a lie?

[gridlock]

Well, if he says that they were shocked that it was there, it means that it was not put there intentionally. When I put my keys on the hook by the door, I am not shocked to find them there later.

[river rat]

Yes, it was a bookshelf devoid of books, brightly lighted even though it was in the background, and TRACKED across the screen using special gear to stay in view behind the Huckster's face --- looking exactly like a cross and it was totally unintentional and unnoticed by the Huckster's staff..

If you believe it was an unintentional use of a cross, at Christmas, during a Christmas message -- then the Huckster is correct in assuming there may be enough ignorant folks out there who believe him...

Over the past several days -- there has been an endless stream of Huckster supporters attempting to deny the Huckster's denial of making political use of a cross - unintentionally.....

Personally, I believe it was an INTENTIONAL attempt to graphically demonstrate the difference between himself and Romney -- a Mormon who will not likely employ the cross in his messages... This tactic will work for his base -- the mouth breathers of the world......

It's become tiresome attempting to point out the undeniable - that the Huckster lied when the truth would have served him better....

[outofstyle]

Our country needs a strong clear thinking leader. Duncan Hunter is that man. Without doubt.

That is clear. However, In the post I was responding to, you wrote:

"Any other choice shows a lack of understanding."

There are many here who understand that, though Hunter would be a great president, he would be a weak candidate in the general election. This is evident by the weak support he has thus far gained even within the Republican party. With the Supreme Court aging and the WOT raging, we all need to understand what the consequences of 8 years of Hillary or Obama would be. P.S. Sorry if my comments were "nasty." I see now that you were not being arrogant. Merry Christmas

[spanalot]

“If you believe it was an unintentional use of a cross”

No I believe it was an intentional use of a bookshelf and you better start quoting his exact words if you are going to call him a liar - either that or refrain from calling him same.

[atlaw]

I don’t know what all the fuss is about. It was obviously an unintentional use of an intentionally empty bookcase that was unintentionally lit to look like an intentionally glowing cross drifting unintentionally behind the intentionally placed head of Huckabee. In short, an unintentionally intentional intent to intend an intentionally unintentional special effect. Pretty simple, really.

[river rat]

Please -— get real.

It was the intentional use of a bookcase, devoid of books, specially lighted to positively and INTENTIONALLY project the image of a cross...

If you can’t accept that - then you’ve already had too much Kool-Aid...

I still don’t understand WHY he lied, when the truth would not have been objectionable...

He lied....
He lied about his intent with the ad..
He lied about his knowledge about the inference in the ad..
He lied about why people got upset about the ad..

Get used to the idea he lied...
Politicians do that occasionally, the Huckster does it more frequently...

Perhaps you’d also like to defend his claim of being the “only Theologian” in the race....
I doubt even in Arkansas — that a BA degree in “Bible Studies” meets the criteria of a Theologian...

[river rat]

By golly, I think you’ve nailed it.
Perfectly,clearly and truthfully.....

However — the mouth breathing snake handlers will NOT get it....

[spanalot]

“Perhaps you’d also like to defend his claim of being the “only Theologian””

I am not supporting him and will not vote for him - howeverr, it does not prevent me from appreciating his political skills.

[spanalot]

“Perhaps you’d also like to defend his claim of being the “only Theologian””

I am not supporting him and will not vote for him - howeverr, it does not prevent me from appreciating his political skills.

[river rat]

"....appreciating his political skills."

Political SKILLS?

I'd love to hear what the heck those might be....

I realize that in Arkansas, lying, stealing, accepting Chinese money, working with drug cartels, arranging multiple suicides, pimping for Tyson Chicken works, investing in the "cattle futures", covering up bimbo eruptions, rape, etc, etc....may be defined as "political skills" ----- but I'd love to hear SPECIFICALLY what skills Huckabee has demonstrated that you appreciate.....

Personally - I haven't seen anything is Huckabee's history that doesn't remind me of Clinton or Elmer Gantry....

[csense]

We disagree on the facts, therefore we disagree on the conclusion.

Apparently so....

However, if you were to accept for the sake of argument the position that the shot was carefully crafted to insert the Christian Cross into the shot using an “accidental” element, and that the Candidate is lying about it now, how would that make you feel about Huckabee?

Probably no different than the way I feel now. I don't really care for the man. I'm voting for Thompson in the Primary, but most likely I'll have to hold my nose and vote for whoever opposes the Democratic nominee in the general election, because I don't think Thompson will win the Republican Primary.

That said, I'm not going to expend too much energy on this so called "floating cross" issue since I think it's nothing but nonsense.

[ChessExpert]

Some find NBC offensive.

[unspun]

However — the mouth breathing snake handlers will NOT get it...

Care to ellucidate and explicate this comment, r'rat?

[csense]

I have a question for you:

What was Huckabee's motive.

In the commercial, he speaks explicitly about the subject matter of Christianity, and even mentions Christ by name...why would he need to be secretive about any of it's symbology.

[unspun]

McCain’s Christmas commercial referred to the cross of Christ. Anyone complaining about that?