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Surveillance Society: New High-Tech Cameras Are Watching You
Popular Mechanics ^ | January 2008 Issue | James Vlahos

Posted on 12/21/2007 6:03:26 PM PST by BGHater

Edited on 12/21/2007 6:31:46 PM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: chesty_puller
Hi, Chesty--How ya doin"?

For some reason, I really do care. It's just another loss of freedom, drip, drip, drip.

When the cameras are in a casino, you can opt not to go there. When they're in every nook and cranny of our lives, I find that problematic.

41 posted on 12/21/2007 8:43:13 PM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: Chickensoup

btt


42 posted on 12/21/2007 8:46:24 PM PST by OldCorps
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To: basil
When they're in every nook and cranny of our lives

I undertand it bothers people and I would take their side in a fight against them. They just don't bother me at all.

BTW it's nice to see you still fighting away.

43 posted on 12/21/2007 8:51:25 PM PST by chesty_puller (70-73 USMC VietNam 75-79 US Army Wash DC....VietNam was safer.)
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To: Omedalus

Still thees a WIDE difference between a baby monitor and DARPA data mining project


44 posted on 12/21/2007 8:54:33 PM PST by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: BGHater

“If you’re doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide” - gag me alert!


45 posted on 12/21/2007 9:02:07 PM PST by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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To: BGHater

Good night! We now have jobs for all of our public school underachievers. With all of those cameras, there will be jobs jobs jobs for lens polishers. For those who spent their education days playing video games instead of studying, there will be jobs for them: watching those monitors if they can be kept from playing video games instead. Oh, I forgot. There will be cameras watching the monitor watchers too.

My sarcasm has one important point: no one has a clue about the cost-to-benefit of all this watching. All of those cameras and all of the support electronics is quite a cost. Most of this stuff is out in the weather and has lower durability. Small camera systems can be thousands of dollars to install but that is only the first installment on years of maintenance. Maintenance costs can be staggering. Once you have those pictures, who will utilize that information? All of this cost needs to be weighed for benefit. And, it these costs are being supported by government, we the taxpayer are paying for it.


46 posted on 12/21/2007 9:11:25 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: basil

We can hide in burkas! The new fashion rage will be unisex burkas. There will be burkas for our dogs.


47 posted on 12/21/2007 9:14:50 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: Omedalus

I will agree to the use of the technology of, say, ubiquitous cameras monitoring private citizens while going about their business when, and only when, government hires a person with a loaded Glock pointed at the head of anyone and everyone (presumably, one person per) monitoring the cameras, said watcher being statutorily immune from ANY prosecution for discharging the weapon.


48 posted on 12/21/2007 9:30:38 PM PST by SAJ
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To: Nowhere Man
Heck, the Third World nations are starting to look good. B-P

By George, I think you're right - got any suggestions?

49 posted on 12/21/2007 9:35:00 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: ASOC
you are no more likely to run afoul of it as you would

so it's failsafe? Even tho human eyes are on it - and interpreting - you could never be misidentified?

I wouldn't trust in that - indeed, if the 'machine' says a thing is so, that will be that - unless, hopefully you can 'find' you on another machine at the same time somewhere else.

I predict some pretty bad unintended happenstances

50 posted on 12/21/2007 9:39:23 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: William Terrell

Pommes Bleues...


51 posted on 12/21/2007 9:42:58 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: Nowhere Man

Can’t speak for the others, but .30-06 works REAL good.


52 posted on 12/21/2007 9:44:02 PM PST by packrat35 (Politicians would be less worthless if they were edible, or useable for packing wheel bearings.)
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To: basil
Seriously, the cameras are a fact of life, nowdays. It's up to us to figure out a way around them.

I choose to be where the cameras aren't nor will be - for about 98% of my time...where I can still live a bit freer. There still are such places.

It's not that I'm afraid of being watched - it's just that I don't feel the need to be - I'm not a herd animal.

It's MY business where I go and what I do. I will not go meekly into that world where one group of people watch others - and discern who's doing what...no matter their rationale.

The devils can also quote scripture...

53 posted on 12/21/2007 9:52:53 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: Omedalus
There is not, and never has been, anything to fear from technology itself. Fundamental to the principles of American government is the recognition that our government officials and their delegates are all human beings, just like you and me, and any tool that can empower them can also empower us.

How is that? We're not the ones who are watching the cameras.

Surveillance is a two-edged sword. The bad part is being filmed everywhere when you go out in public (except maybe the rest room). The good part is that you can prove where you were if charged with something you didn't do because you are a dead ringer for someone else who committed a crime.

There's no way out of leaving electronic fingerprints all over town. When I'm out and about shopping, I make sure I save all my receipts, even if I pay cash because then I can use it to prove my whereabouts if that ever came into question, as it has the date, time, salesclerk ID etc. I know the system is not my friend, that I am already assumed to be guilty, not innocent.

Maybe people are more free in a third world country than here. The government doesn't have the means or technology to track every move.

54 posted on 12/21/2007 10:01:00 PM PST by pray4liberty (Watch and pray.)
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To: endthematrix
The technology for that is already here. Watch
55 posted on 12/21/2007 10:02:42 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com)
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To: endthematrix
Technological Mental Fornication
56 posted on 12/21/2007 10:04:48 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com)
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To: packrat35

that would be a stupid and puerile reaction.


57 posted on 12/21/2007 10:08:21 PM PST by rahbert
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To: rahbert

I NEVER said for anybody to do anything. Speak for yourself.


58 posted on 12/21/2007 10:28:07 PM PST by packrat35 (Politicians would be less worthless if they were edible, or useable for packing wheel bearings.)
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To: Omedalus
Fundamental to the principles of American government is the recognition that our government officials and their delegates are all human beings, just like you and me, and any tool that can empower them can also empower us.

Right. LOL now go try and buy a fully automatic weapon. One set of rules for me another set for thee is our governments creed. Usually the only persons supporting such intrusions are those with vested interest either working for the companies which make them, a local law enforcement chief who just can't live without them, or some fool more than willing to sacrifice rights and freedoms for a false sense of security and insist everyone do likewise because our parties person in elected office says it's good for the nation.

Fear the government which fears your guns. Fear the government which fears your freedoms and right to privacy. Fear the government who thinks it has the right to spy or intrude on your right to privacy in almost every venue of your life. Fear thenm because soon they will be your master.

Hey Joe you were driving reckless yesterday your left front tire touched the yellow line on the interstate. We also noticed you were smoking inside your car as well. Please mail in a mandatory $250 fine. Hey Joe you screwed in an illegal 100 watt incandescent bulb in your living room didn't you. Our camera saw you. Please mail in your fine or pay a $125 fee to contest this in court.

We also heard though our street mounted audio monitors you have a sexual encounter with your wife last night. Nothing wrong wink wink we just wanta say atta boy way to go although the infared pictures aren't as good as our other cameras. You do practice mandated birth control right? Our records show your recent purchase of such at the pharmacy. BTW you are 5 days late on your health insurance payment. We noticed by your internet logs you hadn't paid. Oh BTW Joe you are over your limit this month in allowable time units for allowed religous worship time. We are certain you will correct this matter. We also noticed you did not spend equal time in a mosque or satanic service as required under United Nations diversity statutes. You do realize this could result in revocation of your religous privlidges don't you? We expect to log your appearance there for daily prayers.

Remember things run so much better when all good citizens cooperate with us.

59 posted on 12/21/2007 10:28:28 PM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

I’ve “heard” of it. Amazing!
http://www.holosonics.com/


60 posted on 12/21/2007 10:32:28 PM PST by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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