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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC; the808bass
This is really sad to read through this website and the few posts of Matt Murray (or nghtmrchld26 or NMC as the regulars call him). His last post, which I can't retrieve, was titled "you christians brought this on yourselves". Self explanatory.

Most posters to this "Pentecostal Survivors" forum blame every single failing or perceived failing of their parents on the fact that their parents were "P/C" as they call it. If the parent spanked them for anything at all, this is seen as proof that "P/C" engenders child abuse. Sigh!

The forum moderator's first reaction - after deleting "NMC"'s posts - was to blame the mass murder as being a reaction to "religious fanatacism" ---

The question on everyone�s mind, as it is on ours, is �How could this have happened?� What kind of religious fanaticism, and the response to it, drives this sort of behavior? How many more are out there just waiting to explode?

How convenient to be able to claim for yourself the mantle of victimhood to cover all your shortcomings! Never for the rest of your life will you have to ever take the blame for anything you do wrong! Because, you see, none of it is your fault! Were your parents drunks? Druggies? Then blame it all on them!

But what if they weren't in any of those categories? Well, then, we'll just keep looking for new "victim classes" wherever we might find them. How about: Were your parents Catholics? Pentecostals? Baptists? Wiccans? Yes?? That's great! There's a forum out there just for you, where you can find other people who grew up in the same USDA Certified Victim Class as you did, where you can whine and moan all day about 100% of your problems being blamable on whatever religion or organization your parents belonged to.

Victims! We're all victims! Nothing we ever do is our fault!

CAVEAT: I'm not saying that your parents cannot do anything to screw up your life while you're a kid. No. What I'm saying is that, depending on your parents' failings, you will be "dealt a hand" in life, so to speak - a hand that you'll have to play from. And some of us will start off with a great hand and others with a poor one. But where we go from there is up to us. Yes some kids who got a much better head start than the rest of us will have an easier time to advance to the next level. But those who start off far behind don't have to just sit there and never move off of square one, just because that's where their parents dumped them and left them. Think of the parable of the Talents.

1,989 posted on 12/10/2007 10:08:39 PM PST by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

I too have been reading through some of these posts... Very sad... Did you happen to see the posts of his poetry... As you read through you can see it getting darker and darker. He states in one part that he was indeed on medication (Paxil) at one point, but apparently not anymore... He talks about fake friends, etc... etc... Very sad. He also talks about many, many people attempting to help him — suggestions of counseling, changing doctors, changing medications, etc... etc... It seems like he didn’t take their offers of help seriously and fought against all attempts to help him...


1,992 posted on 12/10/2007 10:16:25 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

Not to be too far to the right but could this lady be everything they say but have been also working with LE. I’m not sure when these posts were reported to the FBI but she came in about 3 months ago. She asked for additional security. I believe her about the fasting and praying for guidance but could she have been expecting him? JAT


1,995 posted on 12/10/2007 10:20:16 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC

“What I’m saying is that, depending on your parents’ failings, you will be “dealt a hand” in life, so to speak - a hand that you’ll have to play from. And some of us will start off with a great hand and others with a poor one. But where we go from there is up to us.”
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Exactly. Part of recovery is realizing that you are STILL responsible for your own life, and how you conduct yourself no matter what has been done to you in the past. Abuse is no excuse to abuse... The victim mentality just keeps people “stuck”.


1,997 posted on 12/10/2007 10:26:18 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC; All

CAVEAT: I’m not saying that your parents cannot do anything to screw up your life while you’re a kid. No. What I’m saying is that, depending on your parents’ failings, you will be “dealt a hand” in life, so to speak - a hand that you’ll have to play from. And some of us will start off with a great hand and others with a poor one. But where we go from there is up to us. Yes some kids who got a much better head start than the rest of us will have an easier time to advance to the next level. But those who start off far behind don’t have to just sit there and never move off of square one, just because that’s where their parents dumped them and left them. Think of the parable of the Talents.

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MUCH AGREE.

I also am pondering . . .

It is CERTAIN that the demonized NWO folks are extremely hostile to Pentecostal/Charismatic Christianity.

As Scripture indicates . . . so much of “Christianity” is

“A FORM OF GODLINESS DENYING THE POWER THEREOF.”

But Pentecostalism/Charismania teaches and practices that God still performs miracles today. And, Holy Spirit often READS FOLKS MAIL by Holy Spirit.

In other words, such a Christian might EXPOSE the elite’s doings by knowledge supernaturally provided by Holy Spirit.

They can’t stand that.

Neutered philosophical watered down Christianity doesn’t threaten them. They can even be allies with that, to a point.

But Pentecostalism/Charismania IN HEALTHY FORM is a BIG threat.

I don’t know that the NWO folks had anything specifically focused to do with this kid . . . but their support of rock music and the values he got sucked into still implicates their complicity.

And, it is interesting . . . he targeted the same groups the NWO folks most hate in the whole Christian sphere.

Probably coincidence but still fascinating.


2,075 posted on 12/11/2007 6:30:44 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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