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Weekend Talk Show *Preview* for 11/24 - 11/25/07 (not the live thread)
Network and Cable News | November 24, 2007 | Network and Cable News Shows

Posted on 11/24/2007 2:31:10 PM PST by Phsstpok

Preview and Analysis for Weekend of November 24th and 25th, 2007

Guest lineup for the Sunday TV news shows:

NBC's "Meet the Press"
  • Ronald Brownstein
  • Mary Matalin
  • Mike Murphy
  • Bob Shrum
  • James Carville

Fox News Sunday

  • Former Sen. Fred Thompson, R-Tenn.
  • Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.
  • Sen Carl Levin, D-Mich
CBS's "Face the Nation"
  • Retired Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni
CNN "Late Edition"
  • Former Gov. Mike Huckabee, R-Ark.
  • Former Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi

ABC's "This Week"

  • Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.
  • Gov. Bill Richardson, D-N.M.

There is a clear meme emerging, in my eyes, with this weeks programs.  The left is getting damned tired of all this talk of "success" in Iraq and they're not going to stand for it anymore!  The MSM is going to try to reassert their control over the narrative and promote a litany of doom and despair if it kills us!

NBC Meet The Press goes a second week without any headline newsmakers as guests.  Is Lil Timmah being punished for daring to question the Hildabeast?  Is team Clinton planning a trip for him to Ft. Marcy Park?  Seriously, two weeks in a row with nothing but pundits?  If this stretches to a third week this could not only be the 60th year for MTP, but also the last.  And the lineup they chose!  Carville is in Hillary's pocket while his wife is a Fredhead.  Murphy is insisting that all of the conventional wisdom, at least on the Republican side, isn't necessarily so wise and Shrum is simply a loser (but a consistent one).  Talk about your empty calories, this weeks show is the intellectual equivalent of not just potato chips but bad soggy potato chips!*

CBS Face The Nation brings us the main "newsmaker" that the MSM wants us to listen to.  Retired (Clintonian) General Zinni is one of the MSM favorites because he's always good for a bad quote about Bush and the GWOT.  Even when he was in uniform he would diss the Commander in Chief at the drop of a hat.  Now that he's retired he makes his living pushing BDS and promoting the Clintonian world view.  Recently he participated in the creation of a think tank "white paper" that says we've got this whole global war on terror thing wrong.  Our problem isn't that the islamic jihadists are out to kill us.  No, our problem is that we're fighting back.  If we'd only roll over and play dead everything would be fine.  Okay, we'd have to roll over and actually die, but isn't that better than actually fighting to save ourselves?  Everyone would love us if we'd just surrender already.  Oh, and give them more money.  We really need to give other countries and organizations like the UN more money for them to love us.  This may very well be Zinni's official try out as Hillary's vice president, as well.  Sources on both the left and right of the punditocracy have floated this idea recently and, voila, he gets face time.  Who says that CBS is ignorant and doesn't pay attention to what's being talked about on the net?

On Fox News Sunday Chris Wallace will sharpen the Fox knives for Fred Dalton Thompson.  Fox News has made it abundantly clear that they are backing Rudy and Hillary and that people like Thompson have no business screwing up their carefully constructed (and funded) narrative.  Rupert wrote the headlines six months ago and doesn't want to have to change things so watch for a very hostile interview.  Unlike Bill Clinton's histrionics, however, Fred has demonstrated that he won't let an interviewer drive the conversation where they want to take it, but he does it calmly.  Last week on ABC This Week Fred bounced incurious George Steponallofus all over the set, all the time with a smile and calm, certain and assured manner.  Somehow I don't think Mike Wallace's boy will fair much better.  Following the attempted mugging of Fred FNS moves on to the new meme of doom and gloom in the GWOT and particularly in Iraq.  Wise old Granpa Carl Levin, Senator from Michiganistan, will give the Dhimmicrats official declaration of defeat.  Watch what phrases and catchwords he shares with General Zinni.  That will be the drum beat that will be hammered home by every liberal on the planet.  Normally I would expect the "good" Lindsey Graham to show up under these circumstances, but Senator Graham has been stuck on stupid in his condemnation of the Maliki government and the passage of the national reconciliation laws as the end all and be all of his definition of success in Iraq.  He's just back from spending some time over there so maybe, just maybe, he's learned something.  We'll see.  The roundtable is a modified "classic" line up with Brit, Bill, Mara and Juan.  Juan's latest NPR story is about good news for Bush, so maybe he won't need to be smacked down so much this weekend.  Brit, on the other hand, has been so outspoken in his disdain for Fred Thompson that I think he may break with convention and actually comment during the roundtable on Fred's interview on the show.  If so expect some heavy negative spin.  I wonder if Fred insulted Brit's wife or something?

CNN Late Edition Brings us this months MSM favorite Republican, Mike Huckabee.  He's surging in Iowa through a combination of a grass roots push in the evangelical community and a spate of very favorable coverage in the drive by media.  He's decidedly on the wrong side of most issues that Republican voters seem to care about, with the notable exception of Abortion.  He's particularly vulnerable on the issue of illegal immigration, given his history as Governor in his home state of ArkanTyson.  His campaign's breathless declarations to the contrary only serve to highlight the problem and I think that will start to be reflected in the polls.  CNN moves to the meme of the week with a combination of Ayad Allawi, once and perhaps future Iraqi Prime Minister, and the respective mouth "peaces" for Israel and the PLO.  The upcoming Annapolis "peace in our time" conference is it's own best evidence for a failed foreign policy, so Wolfe won't need to spin much on that one.  Allawi is "damaged goods," being identified by the left as a CIA man, so they don't want him back in power (well, maybe they might, given the current make up of the CIA) but he'll definitely come in handy for complaining about Maliki and the failed US policy in Iraq.  And Ron Brownstein is on board to declare that all of the problems in the world are the fault of McChimpy Bushitler and that he invented both partisanship and failure.  I expect there to be a roundtable of CNN talking heads, likely declaring that "Hillary's back" and in charge and that Fred Thompson still just doesn't float their boat at all, but that there appears to be alot for them to like in the Huckster, except for those religion and abortion things.

ABC This Week gives us the resurrected John McCain, the once and future front runner in their eyes.  The MSM wants someone to bring down Giuliani a peg and they just can't see themselves embracing Romney or Thompson and Huckabee is the designated Romney underminer (the rest of the Republican field doesn't exist in their eyes).  I expect a good bit of hostility towards McCain's unwillingness to admit defeat in Iraq but lots of praise for his willingness to criticize the Bush policy.  That point will be reinforced when they give Bill Richardson an "opportunity to respond" to whatever McCain might say.  Funny, I don't recall them ever inviting a Republican on with an opportunity to respond to some lefty loon.  If Richardson matches phrasing with Zinni and the rest we'll know that there actually was a fax on this meme.  They've been looking for a new lexiconographer for awhile now.  Maybe they've found them.  The other possibility is that they're just reading it on Kos or Hufpo.  Andrew Sullivan is on the roundtable segment to diss team Hillary and the Rudytoots equally, while Cokie is likely on simply to bash all of the Republicans except Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee, whom she approves of.  Go figure.  That pairing does not bode well for Hukcabee or his followers.  Jon Karl is on to carry the anti-war water and George Will is on just to bash all other conservatives in general.

The Saturday shows have settled into their new time slots, but I'm not settled in to watching them yet.  I did catch the final couple of minutes of Tim Russert's Show on MSNBC where he was talking with Howard Kurtz about his latest book, this one on the demise of the network evening news shows.  What little I saw was talk about the blogs and how they've ruined the gig by daring to point out the bias and errors of the once infallible anchors.  That was also the theme for the entire program on Fox News Watch.  Neil was replaced by a lefty from Huffington Post, Jane by a Fox blond info babe (Lonnie Anderson type eye candy) and Cal by a guy from NRO.  Jim and the host stayed in place as the "old media" part of the discussion.  They spent almost half the show explaining what a blog is.  That tells you what they think the intelligence level of their audience is.  The Beltway Boys was supposed to cover "success in Iraq" and the lack of recognition of it by the Dhimmicrats, along with a discussion of Obama's "mistake" of actually talking about his youthful drug use (the mistake was letting it be captured on tape, since he'd already written about it in his book).  I'll see if I can bring myself to watch the re-run late tonight or first thing tomorrow.  The Journal Editorial Report goes off into strange territory for them, the recent news about "superbug" germs causing problems in several communities around the country.  Not exactly the usual type of topic for this show.  Do you suppose Rupert is already beginning to affect content and editorial interests at the Wall Street Journal?

So, in sum, it's a combination this week of the horse race and loudly proclaiming Bush's "miserable failures" in the GWOT, particularly Iraq.  The horse race is still very much on and finally beginning to catch the attention of the public.  The media has settled on who they are backing and who they want to defeat and will be spinning frantically to try to insure their desired outcome in the various races.  They are in danger of losing control of the narrative in Iraq so they want to turn to other aspects of the war on terror to push back against a growing perception that we might actually be winning.  They can't have that.

We'll see how Fred does with Wallace.  Those of us either for Fred or not committed yet to some other candidate seemed to think he did really well last week with incurious George, but his critics (and they are many, particularly in the MSM) are still sticking to their prewritten narrative.  And with two weeks of no actual politicians, either presidential candidates, Senators, members of Congress or otherwise, is Russert being boycotted?  Has team Clinton put out the word that appearing on MTP (except designated surrogates) will earn the wrath of the President in waiting?  I have to believe that if that were the case that the word would have gotten out somehow, but you never know.

This should be cross posted to my blog at later today.

This thread exists primarily as a heads up for who is on the weekend talks shows, what they've been invited on to push (based on their recent pronouncements) and the spin (meme) the DBM is likely trying to push based on that information. All of this is prep work for the weekly Sunday Morning Talk Show thread posted by Alas Babylon!. That thread provides a live commentary and analysis of the Sunday talking head shows, with valuable insight and exceptional fact checking. we are the Jedi Council of FreeRepublic, at least in regards to these DBM gabfests. You wanna know what was said and what it meant, as well as where they messed up? Read that thread!

Mark Kilmer has posted his excellent preview of the Sunday shows over at Redstate.COM.

Politico.COM has their Sunday Talk Show Tip Sheet

* this is related to one of Niven's Laws - the actual law is "Never waste calories," which he explains by saying "Potato chips, candy, whipped cream, or a hot fudge sundae may involve you, your dietician, your wardrobe, and other factors. But FP's Law implies: Don't eat soggy potato chips, or cheap candy, or fake whipped cream, or an inferior hot fudge sundae."  And Niven makes a mean Irish Coffee so I think he knows where of he speaks.

TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: sunday; sundaytalk; talkshows

Show by Show Preview

Below are the topics and guests announced for these programs, along with my take on the "memes" that the shows are trying to push.  With each guest's name are a series of links that I found in a web search that helped me get a handle on who they are and what their likely positions will be when they are interviewed.

Saturday Shows For November 24, 2007

The Beltway Boys (Mort Kondrake, Fred Barnes)

Tim Russert's Show On MSNBC (Tim Russert)

Fox News Watch (Eric Burns)

Journal Editorial Report (Paul Gigot) - FNC show page

NBC Meet The Press (Tim Russert)

CBS Face The Nation (Bob Schieffer)

Fox News Sunday (Chris Wallace)

CNN Late Edition (Wolf Blitzer)

ABC This Week (George Stephanopoulos)

1 posted on 11/24/2007 2:31:15 PM PST by Phsstpok
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To: A.Hun; Bahbah; Txsleuth; MNJohnnie; eeevil conservative; Alas Babylon!; Seattle Conservative; ...

The Weekend Talk Show Preview is up

It will also cross posted to my blog at

Here's a sample of  my usually witty commentary...

There is a clear meme emerging, in my eyes, with this weeks programs.  The left is getting damned tired of all this talk of "success" in Iraq and they're not going to stand for it anymore!  The MSM is going to try to reassert their control over the narrative and promote a litany of doom and despair if it kills us!  ...

2 posted on 11/24/2007 2:34:54 PM PST by Phsstpok (When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring!)
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To: Phsstpok

Maybe Carville can whine about LSU losin. LOL!

3 posted on 11/24/2007 6:09:17 PM PST by fkabuckeyesrule (Men like women in thongs because women in thongs are better people.)
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To: Phsstpok; Alas Babylon!; snugs; txradioguy; rodguy911; mainepatsfan; samtheman; TomGuy; ...

Another Sunday is upon us. This is the day the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be thankful (the talking heads notwithstanding).

I was having trouble finishing my top ten list from last week, November 18, 2007, there were so many great comments and observations, so I sat down with a glass of wine, so just be aware :)

10. mainepatsfan for #8 wondering if The Silky Pony would dare attack the pantsuited one or continue to let his wife do it.

9. samtheman for #10 giving Fred Thompson his own personal pep talk.

8. PrinceOfCups for #55 (and other posts, but I was too sleepy halfway through that glass of wine to go back and find them) keeping us informed on conditions in the Magic Kingdom.

7. MNJohnnie for #218 nailing Frank Luntz.

6. cajungirl for #140, reminding us that the Clintons stole everything they could from the White House, including art on loan, and #371 opining that the Clintons will make Chelsea’s wedding pay per view (LOL, they just might).

5. jmyrlefuller for #36, the excellent pre-game rundown, and his excellent reporting at #233 and 237.

4. TomGuy for his recap of the Potemkin debate at #16 and 29.

3. Sal for #370, a great post on Rush, the possible impact of Phsstpok’s research and the chilling effect of the thoughts of a First Laddie (ugh, spit).

2. altura and Miss Magnolia for #308 and 351 respectively, reporting their reactions to Mike Huckabee.

1. kabar for the experience and knowledge he shares so well, steadily and calmly at #239, 245 and 247, injecting facts into the discussion, unlike the MSM.

Thanks, everyone, for the great Sunday conversations.

4 posted on 11/25/2007 4:28:25 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: Phsstpok
Fred, McPain and the Huckster, we’ll see who scores and who doesn’t.
5 posted on 11/25/2007 5:04:38 AM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: Bahbah; kabar
Great job Bahbah! Kabar is nothing short of brilliant.

It pays to remember all those years he spent in the State Dept. in DC. He obviously knows where at least some of the bones are buried.

6 posted on 11/25/2007 5:06:58 AM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: Bahbah
Wine is good! My son-in-law brings me this huge blue bottle and......
7 posted on 11/25/2007 5:08:13 AM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: rodguy911
My son-in-law brings me this huge blue bottle and......

LOL. I could have used a huge blue bottle. I had to confine myself to one glass as I promptly fall asleep.

8 posted on 11/25/2007 5:11:58 AM PST by Bahbah
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To: Bahbah

Did you want to post this on the Sunday Talk Show thread?

9 posted on 11/25/2007 5:16:46 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

Where is this week’s thread anyway? (Usually you have it up by now...)

10 posted on 11/25/2007 5:23:04 AM PST by jmyrlefuller (The Associated Press: The most dangerous news organization in America.[TM])
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To: Bahbah
Hahahaha we all do!

I just watched the guy from Real Clear Politics on C-Spam and it was very revealing how different we(The New Media) are from the DBM.It must drive the msm crazy.

11 posted on 11/25/2007 5:25:24 AM PST by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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To: rodguy911

Did anyone mention RealClearPolitics being bought out by someone - possibly a Murdoch company?

12 posted on 11/25/2007 5:43:00 AM PST by maica
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