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McCarthy & American Jews
11/17/08 | Vanity

Posted on 11/17/2007 12:27:11 PM PST by ckilmer

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To: Bommer

Yes! I often say to my liberal Islamic and Mexican friends, ‘your Jewish friends welcome you!’.


21 posted on 11/18/2007 12:47:56 PM PST by CRBDeuce (an armed society is a polite society)
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To: ckilmer; conservatism_IS_compassion
The donkey party is primarily a coalition of victims is it not? AND, who sees themselves, or at least for generations has presented themselves to the world as the ultimate victims? No one has suffered more than the Jews -- right?

The cult of victimitis and cultivation of victimosis answers a lot of questions, IMHO.

Simplistic to be sure, but I try to apply Occam's principle whenever possible.

22 posted on 11/18/2007 2:15:54 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: Fraxinus

I understand your point. Not to overstate the obvious, but that 80% who bristle at the notion that America is a Christian nation, or at least was founded as a Christian nation, are simply factually wrong and living in some kind of logic-free zone. One could have a good debate on just what “Christian nation” means in this context, because the founding fathers did not want the nation per se to have any particular religion. But having said that, its whole culture, moral fabric, legal framework, work ethic and just about everything that made (make) it a great country stemmed from the Christianity of the founders. I don’t mind administering a little self pat on the back to say that one could add a good dose of Judeo to that Christian origin. I am sometimes amazed at how well versed the founders, as well as Lincoln’s generation were in the Old as well as the New Testament.


23 posted on 11/18/2007 4:40:39 PM PST by JewishRighter ( Anyone But Hillary)
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To: ckilmer

Can’t agree. Meir Kahane was not a warrior in need of someone to make war. He saw the helpless mentality of the holocaust generation and he wanted to prevent Jews from ever being that vulnerable again.


24 posted on 11/18/2007 4:42:16 PM PST by JewishRighter ( Anyone But Hillary)
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To: ckilmer

Religious Jews have distinctly different voting patterns from ethnic, secular Jews.


25 posted on 11/18/2007 4:44:15 PM PST by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: Alouette

Religious Jews have distinctly different voting patterns from ethnic, secular Jews.
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agreed


26 posted on 11/18/2007 5:19:34 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: JewishRighter

Can’t agree. Meir Kahane was not a warrior in need of someone to make war. He saw the helpless mentality of the holocaust generation and he wanted to prevent Jews from ever being that vulnerable again.
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Ok the incorrect word was the word “need”. Mr Kahane didn’t need anyone but G-d. Still if there was danger from the USA to the US jewish community—he would not have turned his attention away from the USA. This can’t be news. For decades the Israelis have had to laugh at American Jews who have tried to equate their experiences in the USA with what the Israelis experience with their neighbors. I wasn’t there but I could well imagine Mr. Kahane being stung by such a laugh.


27 posted on 11/18/2007 5:33:40 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: JewishRighter; Fraxinus
As the first governing document and precursor to the United States Constitution the Mayflower Compact implies that persecuted Christians founded America.
28 posted on 11/19/2007 6:34:23 AM PST by Milhous (Gn 22:17 your descendants shall take possession of the gates of their enemies)
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To: ckilmer

I think you’re on to something there. At one point, during the 1970’s Rabbi Kahane moved to Israel and ran successfully for Parliament. I believe he came to see that the greatest existential threat to Jews was not in America, but in Israel, after Israel squandered its victories in ‘67 and ‘73 and started down a path of self-doubt and post-Zionism. The new left in Israel came straight out with the philosophy that Israel virtually had no right to exist, that it was a usurper and had no religious or historical claims to the land. When Kahane saw that kind of attitude take hold, he realized (IMHO) that the fight had to be fought in Israel. Having said that, he still encourage American Jews to come join the fight in Israel and he did mention that their situation could never be totally secure in any place outside Israel where anti-Semitism still persists. Ironic, isn’t it, that Israel now has it’s own anti-Semitism problem?


29 posted on 11/19/2007 7:54:30 AM PST by JewishRighter ( Anyone But Hillary)
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To: ckilmer

Bookmark.


30 posted on 11/19/2007 7:56:13 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Milhous

Interesting point. The Compact certainly reflects the deep Christian devotion of the Pilgrims. The whole world was a much more religious place then and, if you read just about any official document or proclamation, you would find it replete with such dedications to G-d, etc.

As you correctly point out, the Pilgrims came to escape religious persecution, as did many of the early settlers who crossed the ocean. When that motive found its way into the founding consensus of the new country in 1776 and later, they clearly intended to address religious persecution by making sure that no one religion should rule. I still agree with my Christian friends that the great founding concepts and sense of public morality stemmed very clearly from the unmistakeable (Judeo)Christian traditions of the founders. Therefore, I am in wholehearted agreement that America was, and probably still is, a Christian nation. Unfortunately, the last 50 to 60 years of liberalism has stripped almost all of the best part of those Christian roots out of the national discourse and the cultural life of the country.

To anyone who thinks it is a paradox for an Orthodox Jew like myself to rejoice in the Christian origins of America, it is not because I make any compromise in my own faith. It is simply because the founders gave the nation all the best attributes of Christianity that can be celebrated by men of any creed: charity, loyalty, love of peace, good will, fairness, natural law, liberty and even a healthy dose of hard work and self-reliance.


31 posted on 11/19/2007 8:07:19 AM PST by JewishRighter ( Anyone But Hillary)
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Ironic, isn’t it, that Israel now has it’s own anti-Semitism problem?
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Well when you define anti-Semitism that broadly — the meaning shifts to something like “rebellion against God”—which is not unique to Israel or Jews.


32 posted on 11/19/2007 8:20:49 AM PST by ckilmer
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To: Bommer
Click here: Jewish Vote In Presidential Elections Here are the facts about historical Jewish votes, looking at the Republican share:

1916 Hughes 45%
1920 Harding 43%
1924 Coolidge 27%
1928 Hoover 28%
1932 Hoover 18%
1934 Landon 15%
1936 Landon 15%
1940 Wilkie 10%
1944 Dewey 10%
1948 Dewey 10%
1952 Eisenhower 36%
1956 Eisenhower 40%
1960 Nixon 18%
1964 Goldwater 10%
1968 Nixon 17%
1972 Nixon 35%
1976 Ford 27%
1980 Reagan 39%
1984 Reagan 31%
1988 Bush I 35%
1992 Bush I 11%
1996 Dole 16%
2000 Bush II 19%
2004 Bush II 24%

33 posted on 11/19/2007 8:25:39 AM PST by ckilmer
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To: JewishRighter
Unfortunately, the last 50 to 60 years of liberalism has stripped almost all of the best part of those Christian roots out of the national discourse and the cultural life of the country.

Fulton Oursler began writing the The Greatest Story Ever Told in 1935 and concurs with your dating.

It was Rabbi Solomon B Freehof, of a great Jewish temple in Pittsburgh, who said to me at dinner one evening that the unspoken scandal of our times was the hidden fact that Bible-reading had been largely given up in America.

34 posted on 11/19/2007 8:40:32 AM PST by Milhous (Gn 22:17 your descendants shall take possession of the gates of their enemies)
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To: ckilmer
“rebellion against God”

From a social perspective that ignores technology the zeitgeist of contemporary times seems eerily identical to that which existed millenniums earlier.

35 posted on 11/19/2007 8:50:48 AM PST by Milhous (Gn 22:17 your descendants shall take possession of the gates of their enemies)
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To: ckilmer

“Well when you define anti-Semitism that broadly — the meaning shifts to something like “rebellion against God”—which is not unique to Israel or Jews.”

Huh? I’m talking about the recent spate of neo-nazi attacks in Israel.


36 posted on 11/19/2007 9:54:42 AM PST by JewishRighter ( Anyone But Hillary)
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To: Milhous

“It was Rabbi Solomon B Freehof, of a great Jewish temple in Pittsburgh, who said to me at dinner one evening that the unspoken scandal of our times was the hidden fact that Bible-reading had been largely given up in America.”

And now, here we are with the recent reports that Gideon’s will no longer be featured in hotel rooms. A true sign of the times that relates back to your very pertinent quote.


37 posted on 11/19/2007 9:56:27 AM PST by JewishRighter ( Anyone But Hillary)
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Huh? I’m talking about the recent spate of neo-nazi attacks in Israel.
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Yeah I saw those reports. Those were Russian Jews. What’s not generally acknowledged in the West is that for several decades after the formation of Israel — when the Israeli army sang songs— they were generally old Red Army songs. That generation retired out of the Israeli army in the 70’s. Its not unknown in Israel that Russian Jews played not insignificant role in Stalin’s party killing machine. The newest waves of Russian Jews are just as tough as the Russians. The were never subjected to all Holocaust all the time media programming that I recall seeing in NYC during the 1980’s. And they never had those soto voce debates about whether the interests of Jews were with white races or non white races.

But I wouldn’t lump these young hooligans into the same camp as leftist defeatists that Mr. Kahane railed against.


38 posted on 11/19/2007 10:50:58 AM PST by ckilmer
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Thank you for the ping.

...As I read this piece, I immediately thought of how the bamboozling of Black America by the Democrat Party parallels that of Jewish Americans...notably those in the New York/Malibu/Los Angeles enclaves. Nearly every facet based on lies, and the railroading of the Republican Party by the MSM and Special Interest groups.

39 posted on 11/19/2007 7:13:52 PM PST by T Lady (The Mainstream Media: Public Enemy #1)
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To: ckilmer

I am going to apologize here, because my post is not about the “Jews & McCarthy”, but this article also talks about the two films “A Beautiful Mind” and “Goodnight & Good Luck” as “lies”.

When I saw “A Beautiful Mind” and that figment of the title character’s imagination was going on about “McCarthy being right and there were Communists in the US government, but McCarthy went about it wrong”, it really had me. We already knew about the Cambridge Set in England that pre-dated WWII, so it was probably true here, too. It made sense, and it really pissed me off to find out that this character was just a delusion because he made perfect sense on the issue of “communists at high levels in the US government”.

But, I have a more direct insight into “Goodnight and Good Luck”.

I knew Milo Radulovich personally for many years and Radulovich’s real life story was the one that Murrow used to bait McCarthy and was featured in “Goodnight & Good Luck”. (Milo just died two days ago.)

“McCarthyism”, as opposed to McCarthy, himself may well have been two different issues, but there was an atmosphere of fear created by McCarthy in this country at the time that was unwarranted and was taken to extremes — especially in Milo’s case. And that was what the film “Goodnight & Good Luck” was about — and it wasn’t “a lie”

Instead of going after “the big fish”, the government started offering up “little sacrifices” of people who had NO communist leanings, and Milo was one of those. Even the military said that “Milo’s loyalty to the US, was not in question”, but they demanded that Milo renounce his family because his father (a WWI US veteran, who also had no communist leanings) read two newspapers from the land of his birth and one of those newspapers was labeled “subversive”. (Ironically, it was Britain & the US who had supported the establishment of a communist government in the country of his dad’s birth to appease Stalin, post-war!) And Milo’s married sister was an early civil rights activist.

Ironically, this was one of those instances where the US military started acting like the very communists that they claimed to be fighting — “renounce your family for political reasons” and “guilt by association” were typical communist tactics. And yet, they were used against Milo in the name of “anti-communism”. It was bizarre.

Even more ironically, Milo was not only “not a communist”, he had been a conservative married guy with kids who just wanted to work in the field he loved and had trained in, yet if he didn’t fight back, the military was going to make his finding work in his field impossible unless he “renounced his family”. That was equally impossible.

Edward R. Murrow had been looking for that “little picture” story and Milo’s story became the one he chose for, “See It Now”. It turned the country against McCarthy and it baited McCarthy into debating Murrow — a debate that McCarthy eventually lost.

Although, McCarthy personally, may not have been quite the villain he was made out to be, and he may have been right about high level communists in the government, McCarthy also never removed those “real communists at high levels” and he allowed himself to get outmaneuvered by allowing (and not denouncing) “witch-hunts of the innocents” in his name. And he didn’t seem to care that he was trampling all over the rights of ordinary citizens who weren’t communists. For those reasons, I’d really think twice about making McCarthy into some great “martyred hero of American patriotism”.

Having said that, I will read the recommended book on McCarthy.


40 posted on 11/21/2007 12:10:21 PM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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