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Marine Drill Instructor Convicted Of Abuse(Sgt. Jerrod Glass)
LA Times ^
| Nov 15, 2007
| Tony Perry
Posted on 11/15/2007 5:41:34 AM PST by RDTF
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To: RGSpincich
Whatever happened, happened. But these guys seem like they formed a brotherhood.
Gang members have a 'brotherhood'. The USMC has more than that. Those that dishonor the Corps have no business in it.
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posted on
11/15/2007 8:41:37 AM PST
by
TalonDJ
(Nano-meter = 22215ish)
To: Pentagon Leatherneck
The training standards were developed by Marines for Marines, and the Court martial was by Marine officers and enlisted. Who are we to second-guess either? And I assure you, my friends, the Marines today are every bit as good as we were in our day. Be proud of them: the system is working as designed.
Thanks. 100% exactly my point. It can't be repeated enough. Lets leave the second guessing our boys and girls in uniform to the traitors in the media. Here on FR we love then, trust them and know they will get the job done.
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posted on
11/15/2007 8:44:42 AM PST
by
TalonDJ
(Nano-meter = 22215ish)
To: TalonDJ
The platoon is/was not on trial.
To: RDTF
This PC crap is going into the MARINES recruiting depot of all places. I can’t believe this.
Parris Island or SD won’t be the same if they get rid of all that stuff. New Marines won’t be the same.
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posted on
11/15/2007 9:01:08 AM PST
by
varyouga
("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
To: NewCenturions
If the physical abuse went overboard, that is different.
Yep. There are plenty of great Marines and soldiers serving in Iraq and Afghanistan that didn't go through what this DI was convicted of. There is a line, DIs who don't cross that line can still do a damn good job.
To: Dahoser
Ill state it upfront: I never served and I do not know the facts of this case at all. Nevertheless, Im just wondering if this couldnt be part of a deliberate attempt to undermine the military by having people sign up and then claim abuse by drill instructors.
The kinds of people who would like to undermine the military are not the kinds brave enough to sign up.
To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
So, are blanket parties discouraged too?That's what I was thinking, TexasGirl. Motivated recruits can do a lot worse to a fellow boot who isn't measuring up. There's no complaint department for that one (if it's done correctly)!
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posted on
11/15/2007 9:14:00 AM PST
by
Tallguy
(Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
To: Gay State Conservative
“That must be why they placed “sharpshooters” up in those towers at the rifle range. ;-)”
What?
The only tower on any firing range I saw in the military was for the range officer.
You do know the three degrees of qualifying are:
Lowest is the Marksman
Next is the sharpshooter
Best is the expert.
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posted on
11/15/2007 9:14:50 AM PST
by
HuntsvilleTxVeteran
(Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
To: Tallguy
LOL - if done correctly is right.... kind of like our joke around here of “they would never find the body”.. ;^)
To: RDTF
Just what did the Sergeant do? Did he take away their lollipops?
Does basic training constitute inhuman treatment and torture.
Perhaps those that accuse our military of violations of Geneva Conventions violations should go through Marine Corps basic. Then go to Gitmo to see how the ‘detainees’ are treated.
I’m not saying that Basic training is wrong. I’m saying that we train our people correctly. Yeah, sometimes the TI’s get a little carried away. But that is all part of training.
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posted on
11/15/2007 9:23:25 AM PST
by
Doc91678
(Doc91678)
To: varyouga
Parris Island or SD wont be the same if they get rid of all that stuff. New Marines wont be the same....Like the DI that drowned several of his recruits at PI back in the 50's when my dad was there. We don't need to do that. It was said better than I could ever say it. "Marines have developed training for Marines." They are the ones that brought charges against the DI.
I've seen "good" guys and "bad" guys in the Corps. You can be hard without being brutal... it's a fine line. A good DI has to develop over years and years of dealing with boots and this guy was new. Probably had more to do with it than anything. The DI's that I respected the most were combat vets that were just hard as nails, told you what needed to be done and didn't put up with any bullsh#t.
I really think that a lot of the stuff that really burns me up has happened with combat related litigation. I just pray that our Marines are trained hard and allowed to wage war as needed.
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posted on
11/15/2007 11:47:49 AM PST
by
Dick Vomer
(liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
To: Dick Vomer
Yes, because when the Marines will be facing angry islamists, Taliban, N. Koreans, Chinese or any other enemy - they won’t be abused, will they?
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posted on
11/15/2007 11:51:37 AM PST
by
PGR88
To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
“Lance Cpl. Sean Fitzgerald recounted for jurors how platoon members began trying to break open one recruits foot locker after Glass began hitting the trainee over the head with a tent pole for forgetting the code for the combination lock.”
Bit harsh, even for a DI
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posted on
11/15/2007 4:09:45 PM PST
by
MeanWestTexan
(Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
To: Long Island Pete
You did catch this part, right:
Lance Cpl. Sean Fitzgerald recounted for jurors how platoon members began trying to break open one recruits foot locker after Glass began hitting the trainee over the head with a tent pole for forgetting the code for the combination lock.
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posted on
11/15/2007 4:10:48 PM PST
by
MeanWestTexan
(Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
To: MeanWestTexan
I never saw anything like that, mostly ridicule and working them harder and longer than for the rest of the people.
Putting them on the 8 ball squad with extra time spent marching after hours helped to put some of them on the right track.
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posted on
11/15/2007 4:26:11 PM PST
by
HuntsvilleTxVeteran
(Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
To: RDTF
Good thing the new rules weren't around when Lee Ermey was a DI:
To: 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; Ajnin; ...
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posted on
11/15/2007 5:07:11 PM PST
by
freema
(Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Aunt, Cousin, Mother, and FRiend)
To: freema
Ma, I have confidence in my Marines. Though I wouldn’t want them mollycoddled, I think there are cases where people step over the line, and perhaps this is one of them. I am not in a position to judge.
I do know of one or two who squeaked through boot who probably should have been whacked with a tent pole, at least once or twice. Or at least prodded.
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posted on
11/15/2007 6:03:52 PM PST
by
USMCPOP
(Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
To: NewCenturions
When I went through basic training in 1968 a training cooked off a grenade in violation of instructions and accidentally dropped it. A quick reacting drill instructor tossed the grenade over the wall before it exploded. The drill instructors formed a circle and put the trainee in the center. They passed him from one drill instructor to the other each one punching and slapping him. We all got the message and nothing further happened to the kid after he got his behind whipped. I saw many other things that were worse than what this DI is charged with, and all of it seemed to be geared to making sure that we got the message.
I think that much of the abuse we received actually made us focus a lot better.
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posted on
11/15/2007 6:23:57 PM PST
by
DMZFrank
To: RDTF
I won't go into specifics about incidents involved in my own recruit training, but there was definitely a lot of stuff that happened there that the 'Old Corps' guys think only happened to them.
On that note, I am officially 'Old Corps', I guess that makes me.
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