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The uninvited guest: Chinese sub pops up in middle of U.S. Navy exercise
Daily mail ^ | MATTHEW HICKLEY

Posted on 11/10/2007 7:57:06 PM PST by secretagent

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1 posted on 11/10/2007 7:57:10 PM PST by secretagent
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Ouch

The US Navy, just one blunder after another!

2 posted on 11/10/2007 8:00:09 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: secretagent

I think this is an old, recycled story that keeps popping up. I think I have seen it a dozen times in the last year. It originally happened in 2005 or 2007 sometime.


3 posted on 11/10/2007 8:00:15 PM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: secretagent

The Chinese are going to try something.


4 posted on 11/10/2007 8:04:08 PM PST by wastedyears (One Marine vs. 550 consultants. Sounds like good odds to me.)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1923614/posts


5 posted on 11/10/2007 8:05:08 PM PST by em2vn
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A couple of decades ago China was a backward, isolated society. We’ve been building up the greatest potential enemy in our history by suicidal trade policies. The Chinese have bought enough of our corrupt politicians in both parties (not just the Clintons) that this policy will not change. Only Duncan Hunter seems to care about this. Internationalists or global-trade freaks like Giuliani or Romney certainly don’t.


6 posted on 11/10/2007 8:05:37 PM PST by hellbender
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Dielsel electrics are extemely quiet and can do a lot of damage in coastal waters. That’s not news.


7 posted on 11/10/2007 8:08:11 PM PST by saganite
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What can you do though? We aren’t at war with China, so we can’t just sink their sub for getting too close, right?


8 posted on 11/10/2007 8:11:13 PM PST by kc8ukw
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Yup, and it alerted us to the threat that the latest diesel-electrics pose. So much so, that we borrowed one of the newest and best from the Swedes and learned what to do about them.

Not that they’re not a threat any more, but the USN is confixdent that this won’t be happening again.


9 posted on 11/10/2007 8:13:03 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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Ping

According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.

I'm betting THAT is an understatement of great proportion.

10 posted on 11/10/2007 8:13:19 PM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll. "What happens if neutrinos have mass?")
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It could be an accident...


11 posted on 11/10/2007 8:13:24 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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We’ve been building up the greatest potential enemy in our history by

cheap plastic toy after cheap plastic toy.

12 posted on 11/10/2007 8:13:32 PM PST by jwalburg (Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. What does that say about schools?)
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To: em2vn

Thanks for pointing out the prior post.

I should have searched “title” by date, rather than score.


13 posted on 11/10/2007 8:13:58 PM PST by secretagent
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To: saganite
Another consideration... Suppose you detect it. Then the bigger strategy question is, do you let on (prosecute the contact), or act surprised when they intentionally reveal themselves (surface)?

On one hand, it might be nice to drive them off immediately upon detection. That basically sends the message: don't even try it, you'll fail and die. On the other hand, letting them think they can get close without being detected builds up a false sense of security on their part. Makes them overconfident, and allows you to easily kill them once you have authorization.

So the question now is, what really happened? Could they have gotten close undetected? Sure, D-E are very quiet boats on battery. (but short legs) But maybe they're being set up... The USN has done this before. In the 80s several Victor IIIs were detected in the Atlantic headed for the eastern seaboard. There was some discussion over whether to react or not...

14 posted on 11/10/2007 8:21:04 PM PST by CodeMasterPhilzar
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Not just toys. Hardware, clothing, electronics, sporting goods, and on and on. It’s hard to find a store which isn’t glutted with Chinese goods. We’re addicted to cheap labor, because it helps compensate for the inflation caused by government. China holds a mortgage on the U.S.; its purchase of bonds props up our rotten entitlement programs.


15 posted on 11/10/2007 8:21:29 PM PST by hellbender
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To: rlmorel
I think this is an old, recycled story that keeps popping up. I think I have seen it a dozen times in the last year. It originally happened in 2005 or 2007 sometime.

Possible. No date for the incident reported in the article.

16 posted on 11/10/2007 8:22:53 PM PST by secretagent
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Somebody better get their head out of their rear-end. Certainly, the residual effects of the Scumbag Administration left long-term damage to the military, but Bush has been in for seven years now. Clearly we need to upgrade certain technologies.


17 posted on 11/10/2007 8:24:34 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: CodeMasterPhilzar

Good point. However, I know there are instances (in coastal waters where diesel electrics are very effective) that the navy has gotten a few wake up calls.


18 posted on 11/10/2007 8:25:38 PM PST by saganite
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To: wastedyears
The Chinese are going to try something.

Any ideas?

19 posted on 11/10/2007 8:28:04 PM PST by secretagent
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Seems I recall a few tech secrets going to the chi-coms for campaign cash during the Clinton Administration. Nah ... couldn’t be.


20 posted on 11/10/2007 8:30:48 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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