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Hillary Flips Over her Debate Flop
ifeminists.net ^ | November 6, 2007 | Carey Roberts

Posted on 11/06/2007 10:48:14 AM PST by FreeManDC

What are we to make of a presidential candidate who portrays herself as strong and independent, a courageous exemplar to the members of her gender -- but at the first hint of criticism collapses as the pitiable victim of gender politics?

Last Tuesday Hillary Clinton delivered a horrendous performance at the Democratic debate. She claimed she wanted to end the war in Iraq -- and in the next breath explained that as president, she would continue to guard our embassy, provide training, and continue to wage the fight against Al Qaeda.

As far as allowing illegal aliens to get a driver's license, her answer was more convoluted than a New York City subway map. And when it came to rescuing the Social Security system, she declared, "I do have a plan, but personally I am not going to be advocating any specific fix until I am seriously approaching fiscal responsibility."

Huh?

Debate moderator Tim Russert tried without success to pin her down. Finally candidate John Edwards stated the obvious: "Unless I missed something, Senator Clinton said two different things in the course of about two minutes." Barack Obama of Illinois added, "She had not been truthful and clear."

Clinton launched an immediate counter-offensive. First she accused Russert of playing "gotcha." No, Hillary, he was trying to clarify your contradictory statements - that's what a moderator is supposed to do.

Then the Clinton campaign released a memo called "The Politics of Pile-On." Implying that her competitors weren't bowing and scraping to the inevitability of her nomination, the statement ended with the incongruous claim that Hillary is "One strong woman."

Still fixated on playing the gender card, Clinton's media spinners held a conference call. Senior strategist Mark Penn make the shrill claim that he was already "detecting some backlash" among female voters because they fretted the debate had turned into an ugly "six-on-one to try to bring her down."

Would someone please order the de-caf next time?

Clinton's surrogates in the media rose to the occasion, but their comments were so off base I wondered if they had actually watched the debate. "Her fighting spirit was all the more impressive because so many of the positions she was defending were virtually indefensible," Gail Collins argued in Thursday's New York Times. Problem was, no one could figure out exactly what positions she was defending.

Then HRC's handlers had the gall to send out a fund-raising letter condemning the men's actions with the plea, "Hillary's going to need your help."

But the counter-offensive stalled when bloggers ridiculed Clinton's scripted and evasive answers. Commentator Jed Babbin noted, "But one thing isn't in doubt after Tuesday night: Hillary Clinton can dish it out, but she can't take it." Jennifer Rubin satirized, "Indeed it is sometimes difficult to follow the Hillary rules of etiquette."

Washington Post columnist Kathleen Parker offered this sisterly advice: "Sorry, but when girls insist on playing hardball with the boys, they don't get to cry foul - or change the game to dodge ball - when they get bruised."

Clinton's Democratic rivals kept the heat on. Asked on NBC's Today show whether Clinton was trying to play the gender card, Barack Obama responded it didn't make sense that when "people start challenging her point of view, that suddenly, she backs off and says, 'Don't pick on me.'"

John Edwards hit on Hillary's double-standard. "I think that Senator Clinton ought to be held to the same standard that every presidential candidate is held to," Edwards told reporters. "That standard is to not engage in double-talk."

Finally Mrs. Clinton made a lame effort to defuse the controversy. "I don't think they're picking on me because I'm a woman; I think they're picking on me because I'm winning."

"Picking on me"?

When Barack Obama was excoriated for offering to meet with Fidel Castro, I don't remember him saying he was being singled out because of his skin color. And when persons ridiculed John Edwards for his $300 haircuts, he didn't provide the sad-sack defense of being "picked on."

In the past, playing the victim worked wonders for Mrs. Clinton. During her eight years as First Lady, her highest approval ratings came in the wake of the Monica Lewinsky scandal. And following a debate with candidate Rick Lazio, Clinton and her aides claimed that his actions were "menacing" and "threatening."

But in 2007, the last thing our country needs is a candidate who uses divisive gender tactics to satisfy her need for personal satisfaction and political gain.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008; clinton; democratparty; electionpresident; elections; hillary; hillaryclinton; presidentialdebates
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1 posted on 11/06/2007 10:48:16 AM PST by FreeManDC
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To: FreeManDC

“Picking on me”?

Reminds me of that Charlie Brown song: “He’s a Clown, That Charlie Brown, He’s Gonna Get Caught, Just You Wait and See, ‘Why’s Everybody Always Pickin’ On Me’?”


2 posted on 11/06/2007 10:51:10 AM PST by SilvieWaldorfMD (Hard lesson learned in the 1980's: "Never perm and dye your hair at the same time")
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To: FreeManDC

from a feminist website...oh, this is rich.

And wasn’t that Chubby Checkers who asked “Why’s everybody always pickin’ on me?”


3 posted on 11/06/2007 10:55:17 AM PST by hoe_cake
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

IMO we are making a mistake that will let Hillary off the hook, a politician flip flopping is nothing new, Hillary’s outright support for BOTH AMNESTY and illegal’s acquiring Driver’s Lisences?

77% of Americans are against both proposals, I don’t care about her flipping, I care about her actual stated future policies, let us not lose sight of that and merely point to “flip flopping”...Hilde’s on the wrong side of this issue.


4 posted on 11/06/2007 10:55:32 AM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ No more miller brewing products, pass it on/Isaiah 3.3)
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To: what_not2007

“And wasn’t that Chubby Checkers who asked “Why’s everybody always pickin’ on me?”

I believe “The Coasters” had the well known hit.


5 posted on 11/06/2007 11:02:00 AM PST by TalBlack
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To: FreeManDC

“Picking on me”?

That’s called politics


6 posted on 11/06/2007 11:02:25 AM PST by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: what_not2007

The Coasters.


7 posted on 11/06/2007 11:03:18 AM PST by phrogphlyer (Proud member of the contrarian fringe.)
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To: TalBlack

yes, you’re right. For some “strange” reason Chubby Checkers came to mind when thinking of Hillary, is all.


8 posted on 11/06/2007 11:03:23 AM PST by hoe_cake
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To: what_not2007

I guess when she is president and crisis develops she thinks she can overcome it by having her bloggers and other flunkies just insult the enemy, as they did with Tim Russert.


9 posted on 11/06/2007 11:09:50 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: TNCMAXQ

“I guess when she is president and crisis develops she thinks she can overcome it by having her bloggers and other flunkies just insult the enemy, as they did with Tim Russert.”

Insult, or kill the enemy. This has always been the Clinton strategy.


10 posted on 11/06/2007 11:12:19 AM PST by hoe_cake
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To: SMARTY

So, let me get this straight.....she doesn’t want to be picked on by the press? So, does that mean she wants to be treated more like the Republican candidates????? ;>)


11 posted on 11/06/2007 11:15:54 AM PST by Primetimedonna ( It's SAN FRANCISCO, not Frisco. Charter member of the San Francisco Snowflakes)
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To: TalBlack

Yes...Charly Brown


12 posted on 11/06/2007 11:20:10 AM PST by O6ret
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To: TNCMAXQ
TCNMAXQ,

I guess when she is president and crisis develops she thinks she can overcome it by having her bloggers and other flunkies just insult the enemy, as they did with Tim Russert.

Just because you use initials and have not told FR readers about yourself, we know who you are.

We are coming for you.

13 posted on 11/06/2007 11:20:57 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: FreeManDC
Hillary is only tough when she has her FBI Files and protection. She's a bully, and a coward, and acts like one.

Her in the Oval Office would be a disaster.

14 posted on 11/06/2007 11:23:35 AM PST by Pistolshot ("All you anti-Freds remind me of Wile E. Coyote trying to fool the sheepdog." - Josh Painter)
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To: FreeManDC

What would Her Heinous do if, God Forbid,she were elected POTUS and the “big boys” like Osama, Assad, Kin Jung Il, and Assad ganged up on her...because we know they will.

Go home and cry to Slick....OooOps! I forget, Hillary and her HINO don’t live under the same roof.


15 posted on 11/06/2007 11:27:14 AM PST by Cincinna (HILLARY & HER HINO :: Keep the Arkansas Grifters out of the White house.)
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To: FreeManDC

“But in 2007, the last thing our country needs is a candidate who uses divisive gender tactics to satisfy her need for personal satisfaction and political gain.”

Thank you.


16 posted on 11/06/2007 11:27:46 AM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: Cincinna

If he is a HINO, that makes her a WINO.....


17 posted on 11/06/2007 11:33:48 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (Mrs Clinton! How'd your campain fund get so big????? "Ancient Chinese Secret!!!!")
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To: FreeManDC

In a perfect world, Amendment XIX would still be someone’s stupid idea.


18 posted on 11/06/2007 11:38:33 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: SilvieWaldorfMD

Charlie Brown
The Coasters

Fe-fe, fi-fi, fo-fo, fum
I smell smoke in the auditorium

Charlie Brown, Charlie Brown
He’s a clown, that Charlie Brown
He’s gonna get caught
Just you wait and see
(Why’s everybody always pickin’ on me)

That’s him on his knees
I know that’s him
Yeah, from 7 come 11
Down in the boys’ gym

Charlie Brown, Charlie Brown
He’s a clown, that Charlie Brown
He’s gonna get caught
Just you wait and see
(Why’s everybody always pickin’ on me)

Who’s always writing on the wall
Who’s always goofing in the hall
Who’s always throwing spit balls
Guess who (who, me) yeah, you

Who walks in the classroom, cool and slow
Who calls the English teacher, Daddy-O

Charlie Brown, Charlie Brown
He’s a clown, that Charlie Brown
He’s gonna get caught
Just you wait and see
(Why’s everybody always pickin’ on me)

[Instrumental Interlude]

Who walks in the classroom, cool and slow
Who calls the English teacher, Daddy-O

Charlie Brown, Charlie Brown
He’s a clown, that Charlie Brown
He’s gonna get caught
Just you wait and see
(Why’s everybody always pickin’ on me)


19 posted on 11/06/2007 11:40:51 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: FreeManDC
"Sorry, but when girls insist on playing hardball with the boys, they don't get to cry foul - or change the game to dodge ball - when they get bruised."

Especially when this "girl" has spent her entire adult life becoming the female Paulie Walnuts of politics. She's not a creme puff--she's a thugette whose Stalinesque machinations turned her mediocre husband into a president. It's just too bad for her that Americans are not particularly fond of mean, bad-tempered, foul-mouthed, manipulative, power-hungry, socialist women--or men, for that matter.

20 posted on 11/06/2007 11:41:50 AM PST by giotto
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