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Rice University Professor Debunks National Geographic Translation Of Gospel Of Judas
Eureka Alert ^ | 11-1-2007 | David Ruth - Rice University

Posted on 11/04/2007 5:26:37 PM PST by blam

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1 posted on 11/04/2007 5:26:38 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

Maybe someone should post the Greek text of this work so that all the Freepers can read it for themselves.


2 posted on 11/04/2007 5:29:00 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: blam; NYer; WKB; Sopater; Vision

I don’t suppose it ever occurred to anyone that Judas didn’t have enough time to write it between the time he betrayed Jesus and the time he committed suicide.

Parody my foot. I can’t believe what so-called intellectual types fall for. I guess it comes from not knowing Scripture.


3 posted on 11/04/2007 5:36:57 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: blam

Maybe National Geographic’s translators were inspired to mischief by ‘The Satanic Verses’.


4 posted on 11/04/2007 5:41:20 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: proxy_user

“Maybe someone should post the Greek text of this work so that all the Freepers can read it for themselves.”

Are there a lot of Freepers that are fluent in Greek?


5 posted on 11/04/2007 5:44:23 PM PST by Grunthor (If I'm laughing at what I think I am, it's really very funny.)
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To: blam
Yes, when Jesus was down on his knees and his dead and begged, "Judas, please.", he was begging for his betrayal and not for his life, as that was part of the plan all along, but it was important that Harr---, er, Peter not be told any of this because he had important work to do, which included the three denials before the cock crowed and finding the Invisibility Shroud, the Crown of Thorns and the Staff of Ra...

I may be confusing two different books here . . .

6 posted on 11/04/2007 5:47:36 PM PST by Tanniker Smith ("I got a rock." -- Charlie Brown. "I got Iraq." -- George W. Bush)
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To: metmom

None of the gospels were written by the apostle they are named after (with the possible exception of Luke / Acts wich were originaly one book). The books of the bible written most closely to thife of Chirst are those written by Paul - the epistles, followed then - chronologically - Mark, Matthew, John, Luke. The word Gospel means good news. The books are titled “the good news according to...” and were written by followers of the particular disciples, often many years later.


7 posted on 11/04/2007 5:48:57 PM PST by HonorInPa
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To: metmom

It doesn’t claim Judas wrote it (see below). Anyway - much ado about nothing as far as I am concerned.

“It is a gospel parody about a “demon” Judas written by a particular group of Gnostic Christians who lived in the second century. “


8 posted on 11/04/2007 5:49:05 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Tanniker Smith

Not fluent in Greek yet but my wife and I are going to take at least one year of Latin next year. The course is offered on-line by the University of Maine at Orono.


9 posted on 11/04/2007 5:50:03 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: Grunthor

Are there a lot of Freepers that are fluent in Greek?

It would be Greek to me.


10 posted on 11/04/2007 5:50:31 PM PST by DOGEY
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To: proxy_user

The text that got all the attention in 2006 was a Coptic text, thought to be a translation of a Greek original. As far as I know the Greek text has not been found.


11 posted on 11/04/2007 5:53:06 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: metmom
I don’t suppose it ever occurred to anyone that Judas didn’t have enough time to write it between the time he betrayed Jesus and the time he committed suicide.

Excellent point! Freeper logic shoots down a college professor and National Geographic in one fell swoop!

12 posted on 11/04/2007 5:54:15 PM PST by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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“DeConick was intrigued by the original release of the Coptic Gospel of Judas”

The story indicates that its in Coptic, not Greek.
There may be a few Freepers that can read it but they would probably be Egyptian Copts and able to read a version of Coptic in use 2 millenia ago. DeConick is probably a specialist in Coptic.

13 posted on 11/04/2007 5:54:22 PM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Grunthor

Are there a lot of Freepers that are fluent in Greek?


Ooday ooyay avhay eethay “Igpay Atinlay” ershunvay?


14 posted on 11/04/2007 5:55:35 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Verginius Rufus

Do tell. Why does that not surprise me?


15 posted on 11/04/2007 5:56:56 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: blam; lupie; wideawake; phatus maximus; FormerLib; justshutupandtakeit; RobbyS
"Once I started translating the Gospel of Judas and began to see the types of translation choices that the National Geographic team had made I was startled and concerned," DeConick said. "The text very clearly called Judas a 'demon.'

DeConick contends that the Gospel of Judas is not about a "good" Judas or even a "poor old" Judas. It is a gospel parody about a "demon" Judas written by a particular group of Gnostic Christians who lived in the second century."

16 posted on 11/04/2007 5:57:22 PM PST by Enterprise (Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!)
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To: blam

As I understand it the so-called “Gospel of Judas” and ALL of the so-called “Gnostic Gospels” were written more than a century after the crucifixion. While one can debate whether or not the New Testament is absolutely reliable, the idea that extremely obscure texts written more than a century later (by people who had absolutely no first-hand knowledge of any of the events of the life and death of Jesus Christ) should be given any great credibility is just another dogma of politically correct debunkers. There is a great rage for pretending that convenient novelties are important when they serve a particular (liberal-secular) point of view. I would not give “The Gospel of Judas” any more credibility than Dan Brown’s “DaVinci Code” (the latter has been thoroughly discredited).


17 posted on 11/04/2007 5:59:07 PM PST by Enchante (Democrat terror-fighting motto: "BLEAT - CHEAT - RETREAT - DEFEAT")
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To: PaForBush

Even taking Ryland’s papryus into consideration?


18 posted on 11/04/2007 6:00:40 PM PST by padre35 (Conservative in Exile/ No more miller brewing products, pass it on/Isaiah 3.3)
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To: metmom

HuH?


19 posted on 11/04/2007 6:00:43 PM PST by captnorb
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To: Grunthor

Count me as being one. 5 years of Greek and Latin in high school, then my first degree was a BA in Greek and Latin from Catholic University.


20 posted on 11/04/2007 6:08:01 PM PST by AlmaKing
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