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Indicted in beating of gay couple (charged with a first-degree hate crime)
NJ.com ^ | 11/03/07 | MICHAELANGELO CONTE

Posted on 11/04/2007 4:22:57 PM PST by Libloather

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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
Is there such a thing as a love crime?

Yeah, that's what killed Jesse Dirkhising.

21 posted on 11/04/2007 5:39:28 PM PST by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Libloather

Has there ever been a Supreme Court test of “hate crime?”

I honestly just cannot see how it can hold together.

Crime should be punished in terms of the damage it causes. That much is understandable to anyone. In that context the brutal sadistic beating of a homosexual that results in death might warrant a more severe punishment than a lover’s quarrel where a jilted spouse spouse pulls out a pistol and consigns her wandering hubby to room temperature.

However, in both cases, what is being punished is the ACT. The reason, the motivation, the mindset of the perpetrator can and should be considered within the context of the crime, but are not — can’t be — criminal acts in themselves.

This is scary. Hate-crime is just a hop, skip and a jump away from thought-crime. And when they get around to examining what you read, watch on TV, access via the Internet for evidence of criminal thought, we are all in definite trouble.


22 posted on 11/04/2007 5:52:21 PM PST by Ronin (Bushed out!!! Another tragic victim of BDS.)
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To: MurryMom

If you hate, I mean REALLY hate Dubya, is that now a crime?


23 posted on 11/04/2007 6:00:00 PM PST by Libloather (Hillary donors find their way to the cover of Time. And the very next day they're doing it...)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Hate crimes come in degree’s?

That's what I'm wondering. Say the victim is 'greatly disliked'. Does that count?

24 posted on 11/04/2007 6:05:11 PM PST by Libloather (Hillary donors find their way to the cover of Time. And the very next day they're doing it...)
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To: Ronin

Equal treatment under the law for all unless they are a member of a protected race group or a sexual pervert.
Those people are more equal than the rest of us.

So, in this case, if a criminal pounds the snot out of someone for the heck of it he gets off easier than if he pounds the snot out of someone because he doesn’t like their particular perversion.

Hate crime isn’t close to being a thought crime - it IS a thought crime.
The difference in the level of punishment is due to the thought in the perp’s mind not the severity or character of the crime. The same crime is treated differently depending on the thought in the perp’s mind at the time the crime is committed.


25 posted on 11/04/2007 6:09:14 PM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.)
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To: Libloather

How can it be a hate crime? The perps are ‘latinos’????

Anybody know if the two perps are even legal?


26 posted on 11/04/2007 6:17:49 PM PST by bpjam (Harry Reid doesn't even have 32% of my approval)
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To: Libloather

What are the different degrees of hate crimes? Anyone?

I dont know . I’m curious why the folks got so pissed off about someone asking for a refund ? After the trial perhaps his Honour will send them to the University of Delaware orientation reprogramming course ..


27 posted on 11/04/2007 6:24:01 PM PST by Ben Bolt ( " The Spenders " ..)
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I’m curious why the folks got so pissed off about someone asking for a refund ?

...when they asked someone behind the counter for a refund for an item that was not available, officials said.

Maybe his Honor will declare that they deserved what they got...

28 posted on 11/04/2007 6:37:56 PM PST by Libloather (Hillary donors find their way to the cover of Time. And the very next day they're doing it...)
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To: Libloather

It will be an interesting case to be aware of nonetheless . The poster above got it correct when he said hate crimes are just another way to control our thoughts .


29 posted on 11/04/2007 6:42:51 PM PST by Ben Bolt ( " The Spenders " ..)
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To: Nathan Zachary

Pedophilia and abduction has nothing to do with straight or gay. it is not a “fag crime”, but a crime, period. (Usually more about dominance and control than sexual preference.)

The victims are gay, not pedophiles. They never hurt anyone. Straight or gay pedophiles are disgusting and should be put away, but I don’t see what that has to do with seven employees of a Burger King holding down and beating two guys because they are different from them.


30 posted on 11/08/2007 8:03:26 AM PST by justiceplease (Where did pedophilia come in? Fag crimes? Come on!)
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