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The Inconvenient Science of Racial DNA Profiling
LimbicNutrition Weblog ^ | October 5, 2007 | Melba Newsome

Posted on 11/02/2007 1:13:45 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

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1 posted on 11/02/2007 1:13:47 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I can predict propensity to commit crimes based on family life, education, and school problems—IOW, on one’s background culture.

Immigrant blacks to this country have low crime rates, high marriage rates, and success in education.

Native-born blacks do poorly in all the above categories.

That’s culture, not race. (Meaning, it doesn’t have to be that way.)

But as long as convincing people they’re victims results in power for a few demagogues, nothing is going to change...


2 posted on 11/02/2007 1:27:40 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The Inconvenient Science of Racial DNA Profiling

Science and police instincts are to racial profiling as Western Society is to a bunny delivering eggs during Easter.

3 posted on 11/02/2007 1:30:57 PM PDT by kipita (“Love” is to humanity as gravitons are to an infinite # of universes.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
He says the National Institutes for Justice denied his grant application because it believed that this is work that should be left to the government.

Despicable mentality on the part of the NIJ but then Frudakis should take the lesson and try for more non-grant business/funding.

4 posted on 11/02/2007 1:32:44 PM PDT by decimon
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To: martin_fierro

Genetic Genealogy Ping


5 posted on 11/02/2007 1:33:13 PM PDT by Fractal Trader (.)
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http://www.dnawitness.net/
6 posted on 11/02/2007 1:37:23 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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But then he adds, "We've been taught that we're all the same, that we bleed the same blood. If you subscribe to the (Frudakis) theory, you're saying we are inherently unequal."

He continues: "If I could push a button and make this technology disappear, I would."

That's the key point right there - you have scads of idiots out there who would rather pretend that race doesn't exist than try to grapple with it in a realistic and rational manner. They automatically assume that saying people are "different" from each other is the same as saying they are "unequal" (in a political or moral sense). What rubbish. Races exist. We are not all the same as everyone else. The genetics prove it. To even suggest eliminating what could potentially be a superb investigative tool, as this Clayton fool does, all on the basis that "it's racist to say there are different races", is idiocy at its most monstrous. People's lives are at stake, and Clayton would like to eliminate this tool because he feels personally offended by it. What a scumbag.

7 posted on 11/02/2007 1:38:20 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Conservatives - Freedom WITH responsibility; Libertarians - Freedom FROM responsibility)
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Still, when they gathered in the Baton Rouge police department for a conference call with Frudakis in mid-March, they were not prepared to hear or accept his conclusions about the killer.

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When the national DNA Advisory Board selected the gene markers, or DNA sequences which have a known location on a chromosome, for CODIS, they deliberately chose not to include markers associated with ancestral geographic origins to avoid any political maelstrom.

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William C. Thompson, Chair of the Department of Criminology, Law & Society at UC Irvine is a prominent expert on the use of DNA in criminal trials but was only marginally familiar with this technology. When I tried to describe how it works, he literally screamed at me, calling Frudakis a hack and a charlatan who obviously did not understand statistics.

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But even the people one might think should be his biggest allies aren't supporting that, including Tony Clayton, the special prosecutor who tried one of the Baton Rouge murder cases. Clayton, who is black, admits that he initially dismissed Frudakis as some white guy trying to substantiate his racist views. He no longer believes that and says "had it not been for Frudakis, we would still be looking for the white guy in the white pick-up truck." But then he adds, "We've been taught that we're all the same, that we bleed the same blood. If you subscribe to the (Frudakis) theory, you're saying we are inherently unequal."

He continues: "If I could push a button and make this technology disappear, I would."

Lord help us with these morons in charge. Weak, emotional fools.

8 posted on 11/02/2007 1:38:25 PM PDT by M203M4 (The Tancredo, Thompson, and Hunter wing of the party - preventing the Rs from Whigging out.)
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To: CondorFlight
Immigrant blacks to this country have low crime rates, high marriage rates, and success in education.

Native-born blacks do poorly in all the above categories.

The reason is because their relatives were never slaves. In fact, America is the only country in the world that had slaves. So, given this fact, America has to take care of its former slaves forever. That's why we need "leaders" like Jesse and Al to fight for us. /sarc off

9 posted on 11/02/2007 1:39:12 PM PDT by kipita (“Love” is to humanity as gravitons are to an infinite # of universes.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
he was certain that the Baton Rouge serial killer was 85 percent Sub-Saharan African and 15 percent native American.

I'm no statistician but how do you get 15% native American? Don't the fractions have to be mutiples of eighths, sixteenths, thirtyseconds, etc.?

10 posted on 11/02/2007 1:43:28 PM PDT by VA Voter
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To: VA Voter

Or sums thereof, i.e.

1/8 + 1/64 + 1/128


11 posted on 11/02/2007 1:49:01 PM PDT by M203M4 (The Tancredo, Thompson, and Hunter wing of the party - preventing the Rs from Whigging out.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Most of the testing is done by government labs with very little opportunity for private enterprise.

Private labs are used sometimes, such as the one Nifong used in Durham. Frudakis could have solved that case quickly, but of course, that worthless police department wouldn't have been interested in the truth any more than Baton Rouge was.

12 posted on 11/02/2007 1:50:01 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
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13 posted on 11/02/2007 1:52:18 PM PDT by Old Seadog (Inside every old person is a young person saying "WTF happened?".)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Perfect illustration of the fact that many people are so mind-numbed by PC that they refuse to accept the truth when it is undeniable.
You know they won’t use this again because of political pressure!


14 posted on 11/02/2007 1:52:19 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
So, if this source is credible (it's a blog about food), it seems that 'race' can be determined sometimes by DNA. Have this guy try to racially profile Central Asians, North Africans (indigenous), East Africans, southwestern Asians, south Asians, or south Europeans, and see if he gets such firm matches.

He's probably using genetic markers. No big news there. A European's genome could still be closest matched to an African's and vice versa.

15 posted on 11/02/2007 1:52:29 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
"What a scumbag."

You don't say.....

No individual human (separated by race or other factors) is the same--should be blindingly obvious. However, the propensities for various traits are not so clear cut that you can separate humanity into the current 'races.' You could separate by phenotype (and get more or less the current 'races'). You could separate by blood type. You could separate by IQ. You could separate by right or left handedness. You could separate by the genetic defect which makes some foods bitter to some people and not so bitter to others. Ditto for the ability to roll your tongue.

If you're a Christian, then Biblically, you'd recognize there being two 'races,' Christians and non-Christians.

P.S. And the genetics definitely do not prove 'it.' The genetics show that while particular genes are concentrated in some groups more than others, almost all genes are spread to varying degrees across the race.

16 posted on 11/02/2007 2:00:25 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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So, if this source is credible (it's a blog about food)

The source turns out to be Wired, if you click the link at the bottom.

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/10/dnaprint

17 posted on 11/02/2007 2:01:10 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Great article! The headline should read

Politics trumps science...again

As a veteran of defense acquisition wars, I recommend his company charge a red tape and bs tolerance surcharge for any work done for the gubmint.

18 posted on 11/02/2007 2:01:21 PM PDT by OldCorps
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
You missed this gem:

Clayton, who is black, admits that he initially dismissed Frudakis as some white guy trying to substantiate his racist views.

It's so reassuring to know that our special prosecutors are unbiased and racism free.

19 posted on 11/02/2007 2:02:40 PM PDT by Diplomat (Tags are for the lazy)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
If you subscribe to the (Frudakis) theory, you're saying we are inherently unequal

The schools this idiot went to should be burned to the ground. What in the name of Bill Clinton's underwear does clause "A" have to do with clause "B?"

This is so typical of Politically Correct Class Mole thinking: i.e., different must mean "unequal."

20 posted on 11/02/2007 2:03:38 PM PDT by Zerodown (Draft Petraeus. Or how about Pace? What do you say we win this one?)
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