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Senate Committee Approves Treaty, But With Sharp Increase in Opposition (L.O.S.T. alert)
The National Center for Public Policy Research ^ | October 31, 2007

Posted on 10/31/2007 7:15:20 PM PDT by Delacon

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They are trying to sneak one by again. Last time it was to erode our sovereignty at our borders. Now they want to do it on the high seas.
1 posted on 10/31/2007 7:15:23 PM PDT by Delacon
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To: Delacon

I could hear the loud sigh of Ronald Reagan as I read this.


2 posted on 10/31/2007 7:22:03 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (No One Gets To Their Heaven Without A Fight)
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To: Politicalmom

Congress Critter ping!


3 posted on 10/31/2007 7:22:49 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Delacon

Also, I want to point out that the fact that President George W Bush is for this and got advice from his Dad on it makes me sick to the core.

The NWO continues.


4 posted on 10/31/2007 7:23:20 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (No One Gets To Their Heaven Without A Fight)
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To: Delacon

Good post over on the Corner by Murray:

All Not Lost on LOST   [Iain Murray]

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee vote in favor of ratifying the Law of the Sea Treaty is disappointing, but grassroots opposition is still building against the treaty.  The strong statements against LOST in recent days by the Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, and Mike Huckabee campaigns are an indication that their campaigns have already felt this movement against the treaty.  The opposition of the Senate’s Republican leadership is another good indication.  If Majority Leader Harry Reid brings LOST to the floor for a vote, it is going to be a real fight.

 

For those not up-to-speed on the issue, here are the main points to remember about LOST:

 

1.     LOST threatens U. S. sovereignty.  Not just a little or around the edges, but fundamentally.  Once the U. S. became a party to the treaty, any number of issues could be adjudicated by a LOST tribunal.  It is not clear what the limits are on the issues that could be taken up by LOST.  Jurisdiction over anything that affects the oceans directly or indirectly could be asserted.  The majority of members of the tribunal adjudicating any particular issue are almost certainly going to be hostile to U. S. interests.  Tribunal decisions cannot be appealed.  Unlike every other country in the world, those decisions could be enforced in U. S. federal courts against the federal government. 

 

2.     LOST would be a big step toward United Nations global governance.  The treaty’s reach extends far beyond international issues and disagreements into nations’ internal policies on a wide array of issues.  The treaty’s structure is designed to replace national decision making with UN decision making on these issues. 

 

3.     For the first time, the United Nations would have international taxing authority through LOST.  Enough said. 

 

4.     LOST would accomplish backdoor implementation of the Kyoto Protocol and far beyond.  A claim before a LOST tribunal that industrial CO2 emissions are leading to increasing acidification of the oceans and thereby threatening the world’s marine ecological resources would almost certainly be decided in the affirmative.  Other nations could decide how to respond to such a decision.  In the U. S., a private party, such as an environmental pressure group, could file suit in federal court to force the federal government to implement the tribunal’s decision.  This is because in the U. S., ratified treaties have the same status as the Constitution.  This is not true of any other country. 

 

More on LOST here.


5 posted on 10/31/2007 7:23:24 PM PDT by Delacon ( “The attempt to make heaven on earth invariably produces hell ” Karl Popper)
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To: Delacon

What is the Senate bill number?


6 posted on 10/31/2007 7:24:05 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Delacon
The tide is turning against the Law of the Sea Treaty. The full Republican Senate leadership opposes it as well as presidential candidates Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, Senator Fred Thompson, Governor Mike Huckabee, Rep. Tom Tancredo, Rep. Ron Paul and Rep. Duncan Hunter.

John McCain's name is glaringly not mentioned. The damned GOP needs to be advertising and calling attention to this travesty of a treaty. If this treaty passes, it is crystal clear that pimps are in charge of our government in Washington.

7 posted on 10/31/2007 7:26:48 PM PDT by right wing (The Drive-By Media Are Terrorists Too)
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To: Delacon

Phone your congressmen. This is as bad as the illegal amnesty bill, possibly worse, because of the precedent it sets, putting fake international law above our sovereignty.

Do we want to have to ask permission for everything we do at sea from the likes of China, Libya, and Sudan?


8 posted on 10/31/2007 7:28:15 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Delacon

CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701


9 posted on 10/31/2007 7:30:18 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Delacon

Call your Senators starting tomorrow!

Get the groundswell going..

This is a giveaway. Shooting wars have started for less.

Don’t bother calling your House reps. Only the Senate votes on treaties.


10 posted on 10/31/2007 7:36:38 PM PDT by exit82 (I believe Juanita--Hillary enabled Juanita's rapist.)
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To: Man50D

I can’t find it. Do treaties get bill numbers?


11 posted on 10/31/2007 7:38:00 PM PDT by Delacon ( “The attempt to make heaven on earth invariably produces hell ” Karl Popper)
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To: Delacon
I can’t find it. Do treaties get bill numbers?

I don't know but it was referred to a Senate sub committee and it will be voted on by the full Senate so I'm thinking it must have some number assigned to it whether it is a bill or some type of joint resolution.
12 posted on 10/31/2007 7:42:17 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: exit82
Ask your senator if they would be willing give American sovereignty over to the Politburo of USSR fame. It also was a group of unelected officials. Corrupt and unanswerable. It also had a bad track record. It too lived for power’s sake. It also lived to find ways of undermining the USA. Ask them also if they are ready to give the U.N. a seat in the senate as a next step.
13 posted on 10/31/2007 7:54:06 PM PDT by Delacon ( “The attempt to make heaven on earth invariably produces hell ” Karl Popper)
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To: Cicero

The (UN) Division for Ocean Affairs and the Law of the Sea, its functions and activities
http://www.un.org/Depts/los/index.htm

LOST is also Global Warming in stealth mode:

Oceans and the law of the sea
Report of the Secretary-General, 31 August 2007
(snipped from the index to this report)

XI. Climate change . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pg58
A. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pg59
B. United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change and Kyoto
Protocol . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pg62
C. Developments in other forums . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pg63
XII. Settlement of disputes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pg64
A. International Court of Justice . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . pg64
B. International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 64
http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N07/494/09/PDF/N0749409.pdf?OpenElement


14 posted on 10/31/2007 7:58:15 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Good grief. I might have known it.


15 posted on 10/31/2007 8:00:01 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

First I heard of that. Thanks. It just keeps getting better and better.


16 posted on 10/31/2007 8:04:50 PM PDT by Delacon (“The attempt to make heaven on earth invariably produces hell ” Karl Popper)
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To: Man50D; Delacon

It might not have an actual Bill # until it is actually introduced on the floor.....probably just some committee designation at the moment.

But one need only read the UN stuff, because that is what the end outcome.......The US subjects itself to the treaty or not.....all or nothing, I think.


17 posted on 10/31/2007 8:05:19 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68 (CALL CONGRESSCRITTERS TOLL-FREE @ 1-800-965-4701)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

From Ian Murray’s post:

4. LOST would accomplish backdoor implementation of the Kyoto Protocol and far beyond. A claim before a LOST tribunal that industrial CO2 emissions are leading to increasing acidification of the oceans and thereby threatening the world’s marine ecological resources would almost certainly be decided in the affirmative. Other nations could decide how to respond to such a decision. In the U. S., a private party, such as an environmental pressure group, could file suit in federal court to force the federal government to implement the tribunal’s decision. This is because in the U. S., ratified treaties have the same status as the Constitution. This is not true of any other country.


18 posted on 10/31/2007 8:08:00 PM PDT by Delacon (“The attempt to make heaven on earth invariably produces hell ” Karl Popper)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Americans need to start thinking about our second amendment. Bullets contain lead. The un can go after our guns by claiming lead runoff is polluting our oceans. Think about. They already made several grabs at our guns. This lead run off angle will give them another battle to fight.


19 posted on 10/31/2007 8:10:36 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Delacon

The treaty provides the UN with the power to tax. This must never happen. The UN must exist at the expense of its member nations, never upon its own resources.


20 posted on 10/31/2007 8:12:25 PM PDT by CMAC51
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