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Restorative Capital Punishment
Political Mavens/Jewish World Review ^ | October 30, 2007

Posted on 10/30/2007 5:27:32 AM PDT by theothercheek

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To: chatham

Yup - the state of CT can bring ‘em back to life AFTER they bring their victims back to life.


21 posted on 10/30/2007 6:27:50 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: KosmicKitty

If you read between the lines of the NYT article, you will see that the lib parishioners who were so sure of their righteousness when the murders happened to other people in other communities are now questioning their reflexive anti-death penalty advocacy now that one of their own was affected by a heinous crime. Nothing like feeling the pain on your own skin to clarify matters.


22 posted on 10/30/2007 6:30:29 AM PDT by theothercheek ("Unless we stand for something, we shall fall for anything." - U.S. Senate Chaplain Peter Marshall)
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To: theothercheek

Capital Punishment is what it is.


23 posted on 10/30/2007 6:44:52 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: theothercheek

And, putting murderers to death is the only law mentioned in all five books of the Old Testament.


24 posted on 10/30/2007 6:48:41 AM PDT by szweig (Had it up to here)
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To: theothercheek

It’s no wonder they don’t believe in capitol punishment. To a Methodist, the only sin is calling a sin a sin.


25 posted on 10/30/2007 6:52:27 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: jwalburg

If these two were hanged from the neck until dead that would be mercy compared to what they did to the victims.


26 posted on 10/30/2007 7:09:43 AM PDT by Judges Gone Wild
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To: aimhigh

I hate to put it this way, but we have seen just how well “forgiveness” and giving scumbags a second chance worked in this case. Both of these savages had records as long as your arm but both were repeatedly let out of prison, given opportunities to get jobs and do something meaningful with their lives, and avoid future crimes. None of this came to pass. Just maybe the revolving door system of justice made them think they could rape, terrorize, and kill and probably get away with it again.

Sadly I don’t think any major changes will come to the parole system here either. The legislature has not acted yet. In fact when some of them went on a fact finding tour of a prison we heard a lot of comments about how awful it is that the inmates are too cramped and they live in poor conditions. It’s almost as if the bad guys are getting even more sympathy.

Plus I will predict the same people who express outrage and anger over this crime will next year just vote to re-elect the same legislators who created this mess.


27 posted on 10/30/2007 7:12:47 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: Judges Gone Wild

How about if we hang ‘em by their feet until dead - it takes about two days to do the job.


28 posted on 10/30/2007 7:19:24 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: jwalburg
the idea that people who want justice are somehow “vengeful” is off kilter

"Retribution" is sometimes confused with "vengeance." And admittedly, the distinction can be subtle. But it is not wrong to demand that an aggrieved party be accorded some satisfaction of his grievance. In fact, it is the ultimate balancing of the cosmic scales. When one turns over the authority for such satisfaction to a dispassionate third party that observes a strict due process in its administration, then it can be said that to the degree humanly possible, blood lust has been removed and the result distilled down to its judicial value.

That is what capital punishment does. It metes out retribution according the accused every protection under the law. It dispenses justice without anger or hatred, but purely in the spirit of balance.

It is interesting to note that Justice is depicted as a blindfolded woman with a balance (not a scale) in one hand and an unsheathed sword in the other. The symbolism is that once the balance has served its purpose, it's the sword's turn.

29 posted on 10/30/2007 7:23:16 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: livius
the fact that they are removed by means of death shows the gravity of their crime. Once a society starts to treat murder as just another misdemeanor - which it did in the 1970s - it devalues all life and even social structure (which in good part is directed at keeping us from murdering each other or being murdered by each other). The death penalty shows exactly how important society considers the life of the innocent to be and how seriously it takes a violation of this basic rule.

Nailed it.

30 posted on 10/30/2007 7:25:40 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: theothercheek

I think that in brutal crimes like this one, where you have personal knowledge of the victims, it SHOULD shake the foundations of your beliefs.

Personally, I am glad the congregation is in turmoil, and rethinking its stance.........maybe they will act accordingly with their votes.

It is tough for some to reconcile the core Christian tenents of mercy,forgiveness and love, with what is a natural gut reaction to brutality and murder. IMO the struggle to reconcile these two opposing positions, is what makes us civilized.....it should never be a simple thing to take another humans life...no matter how vile and despicable that person is, or deserving.

Studying and reaching an understanding of the scriptures which in fact supports the death penalty is the only way for the Christian person to be at peace.


31 posted on 10/30/2007 7:27:36 AM PDT by righting-wrongs
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To: aimhigh
I bet the good Reverend is pro abortion.
32 posted on 10/30/2007 7:32:40 AM PDT by fungoking
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To: righting-wrongs
Agree. Many people look at scripture and take the quote that "God is love" to mean that He does not want capital punishment. But they ignore the fact that He is also a God of absolute and perfect justice ("...for there is no injustice in Him...") and that he places in the hand of the state the power to use capital punishment to punish crimes.

Justice is one of the characteristics of God that many wish to ignore because it does not make them feel warm and toasty inside. They ignore it at their great peril, both physically and spiritually.

33 posted on 10/30/2007 7:49:27 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: IronJack

Nicely put.


34 posted on 10/30/2007 8:01:57 AM PDT by jwalburg (Knowledge is power. Power corrupts. What does that say about schools?)
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To: theothercheek

It’s very ironic and sad that the victims were active in this church, and thus were promoting the criminal-coddling policies that led to their long-rap-sheeted murderers being free to torture and kill them.


35 posted on 10/30/2007 2:25:57 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: IronJack

I liked your posts in this thread and let me also add this observation:

In a society that bans capital punishment, the line is constantly redrawn so that murder, as pointed out earlier, becomes a crime like any other.

The capital punishment opponents are generally deceitful bastards who DO NOT merely oppose the death penalty but are against any significant imprisonment or corporal punishment of the murderer.

First, they go after the death penalty, then they go after life sentences. After that, they will go after 20 year sentences until 10 years of ‘treatment’ will suffice.

And they will, when it suits them, cloak their aims in science but will IGNORE science and research that show how irredeemably bad a psychopath is or the recidivism rates of violent offenders or how ‘treatment’ actually enables and increases the effectiveness of psycho and sociopaths.

There are SOME who are truly in favor of life sentences in uncomfortable conditions over the death penalty but they aren’t the ones out picketing in front of prisons or defending murderers on countless appeals.

Imagine dedicating your entire professional (and emotional) life to preventing murderers from getting executed! Think of the REAL good all of that energy and action could have done!


36 posted on 10/30/2007 2:43:01 PM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: Skywalk; All
You're 100 percent correct. No society need apologize for putting certain predators beyond the pale. To defend them is to attack the stability of our civilization.

Since there seems to be so much interest in this subject, and at the risk of appearing vain, I have resurrected a piece I wrote for Free Republic in February of 2000. You might find this link interesting.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1918616/posts

37 posted on 10/30/2007 3:33:04 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: livius
In any case, true retribution would take the form of raping them and then burning them to death, which is what they did to their young victims. Nobody is proposing that.

How about we feed them to the reavers?

38 posted on 10/30/2007 3:42:07 PM PDT by GreenOgre (mohammed is the false prophet of a false god.)
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