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To: khnyny
This is going to be long, but worth it for those following this story:

A Maryland family caught in the partisan crossfire over a children's health-care bill in Congress is now stepping back into the divisive debate

Once again THEY have made the choice and are therefore subject to scrutiny. To the DUmmies and Kos Kids searching out MY kids and what radio stations I listen to, I have NOT made the choice to put my kids in front of the camera. You accuse me of raiding the "privacy" of this family (who voluntarily appear on the front pages of newspapers telling everyone how much money they make and choose to be on national TV) yet you are desperate to find out who I am to drive by my house and look into my kids schools. Hypocrites.
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advocating this time for state legislation that would expand coverage for adults.

How can we honestly debate expansion if we don't know the financial status of families that CURRENTLY get the program?
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Three weeks ago, after 12-year-old Graeme Frost offered a radio appeal for expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), his family became fodder for conservative bloggers.

I looked into the financial state of the family ALREADY covered by SCHIP. Again, how can we honestly debate expansion if we don't know the financial status of families that CURRENTLY get the program?
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The Frosts were derided as freeloaders

Not by me.
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"who relied on government insurance for their children while they sent two to private school.

Which is true btw. We did not know at the time that all 4 were attending private school at the time of the accident.
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"Bloggers staked out their Baltimore rowhouse, declaring it too fancy for a family that can't afford to pay for health insurance."

I know of noone that "staked out their Baltimore rowhouse". The only blogger that I am aware of that ever went there was Michelle Malkin. She actually said the house was not worth the 500k others were stating. Just the opposite of what this article is claiming.
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Commentator Rush Limbaugh imitated Graeme Frost's voice, damaged in a car accident, and said congressional Democrats were using the boy to "advance a distortion."

Rush can defend himself, but does anyone really think he was making his voice sound "damaged" as opposed to simply imitating a childs voice?
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"Democrats rushed to the boy's defense, accusing conservatives of distorting the family's finances"

And yet never mentioned the 3 vehicles, the carriage house, the commercial property , or the tenants. They focused on countertop makeup (concrete is the same if not more than Granite) and the original price paid for the home (which means they have a ton of equity) or tax assessed value as opposed to current market price.
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"and attacking Graeme unfairly".

2 weeks and still not one person, left or right, has been able to cut and paste a single attack I made on the child.
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"Gary Trudeau crystallized the fallout in yesterday's Doonesbury comic strip: "It's one thing to Swift-boat a grown man," his cartoon character asks at a faux White House news conference. "But isn't it a bit beyond the pale to attack a 12-year-old boy?"

Claiming someone is attacking a 12 year old is as silly as pretending someone is questioning your patriotism. Debate the facts and quit hiding.
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"Yesterday, the boy's mother, Bonnie Frost, stood before a microphone at a Baltimore church, in a peasant shirt and clogs, to make a quiet appeal for broader health coverage in Maryland."

Whats a peasant shirt? New one for me.
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"My husband and I cannot afford health insurance," she said, as advocates announced a new radio ad featuring her. The plan, to be debated as the legislature convenes in Annapolis next week, "would help a lot of working families like us."

There we go. " LIKE US. When you say "look at me, I'm the example", don't get upset when we actually look. Its not an attack.
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"She said she didn't hesitate to join the Maryland effort, despite the events of the past three weeks. "I'm not going to let the nasty bloggers scare me away from standing up for what's important," she said yesterday.

I'm not going to let the nasty media and lefty hate sites scare me away either.
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"Much of America now knows the family's story: Graeme and his sister Gemma, 9, suffered brain injuries when the family car hit a patch of ice and spun out of control three years ago. Their hospital bills and lengthy recovery were covered by SCHIP. Graeme gave the Democratic response to President Bush's radio address Sept. 29, asking him to reconsider his veto of a Democratic bill to expand the children's health program. Graeme and his mother stood next to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) at the bill signing."

Nice to see the media admit the bill was to "expand" SCHIP and that Bush was not canceling the program.
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Things quickly got ugly for the Frosts

How is examining the claimed resources of a family ugly?
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"who together make about $45,000 a year."

I think the missing word is "claim" to make... The family refused a Baltimore Sun request to look at their tax return and its unclear if rental income from the two tennants at their commercial property is included in that amount.
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"Television crews camped out in front of their house and knocked on the door."

Why are they not described as "stalkers" like Michelle Malkin was?
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They received hate mail and e-mails.

Thats wrong, there is no need for that. Stick to the facts. People should spend their time on better things like finding out information on the injunction that Baltimore City has against the family. I believe Bonnie and Halsey both have court dates in early November. Could it have something to do with neither their home or commercial property being listed as their primary residence?
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The blogger Michelle Malkin drove by the family home and by Halsey Frost's warehouse in East Baltimore, searching for clues to a middle-class life.

And the Baltimore Sun asked for the family tax return. Its called reporting.
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One blogger who calls himself Icwhatudo posted what he dug up about the Frosts on the Free Republic Web site: Graeme attends an expensive private school, the couple's 1992 wedding was the subject of a New York Times announcement and a house in the Frosts' Butchers Hill neighborhood sold for $485,000 last spring.

Very selective but 100% true. Nice job. Why is it the commercial property always seems to be left out?
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At first I was really surprised that people would do this to us," she said. "I thought they must be desperate to trash us for sending out a good message."

How is pointing out your resources trashing you? You say you're "an example",refer to people "like us". How are we to know what you are "like" without looking? When the Baltimore Sun asked for the tax return were they trashing you or just looking for information?
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The criticism, in many ways, goes to the core of what Bush and many Republicans say is wrong with SCHIP. Expanding the program, they say, could encourage people who can afford health insurance to rely on the government instead.

Yep.
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The Frosts, both 41, say they earn too much to qualify for Medicaid but too little to buy health insurance.

Yet you can pay two mortgages, pay to send 4 kids to private school prior to the accident (with the help of financial aid-you admit you are still paying), and afford 3 vehicles.
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"Halsey is a self-employed woodworker whose business failed in the late 1990s."

Read that again. If his business failed how is he still working? Yes, he stopped using the name "Frostworks" in 1999/2000 but he has used other names such as DIVERSIFIED INDUSTRIAL DESIGN CENTER and started and managed a small design/build division of a high-end residential landscape construction business called Natural Concerns Inc. The article admits he is self employed. The fact he is not calling himself "Frostworks" does not change the fact he is his own boss and the original claim "he can't get health insurance from work" is misleading.
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Bonnie works part time for a biomedical publishing company, which has seven employees and no insurance plan. Her employer is typical of the companies that would be helped by a plan supported by Democratic leaders in Annapolis that would subsidize small businesses in addition to expanding Medicaid coverage for adults.

The original Baltimore Sun article claimed she worked FULL time. Since there was a small error in that report I guess it was all lies too right?
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"Bonnie's a symbol of the true depth of the health-care crisis in Maryland," said Vincent DeMarco, president of the Maryland Citizens' Health Initiative, which is sponsoring the new radio ad. "Luckily, CHIP is there for their kids, but there's nothing for them."

Theres something there for them, its called private health insurance. That $1200 figure (due to waiting until after the accident to try and get coverage)was due to preexisting conditions of the kids, NOT the parents. Please tell me we are now going to have to pay for ins coverage for the parents too? Can't they sell the commercial property or at least increase the rent they charge their 2 tenants? Can't they sell the Volvo SUV or the GMC Suburban and keep the other with the Ford F-250?
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"DeMarco's 14-year-old son attends the Park School with Graeme and Zeke, which is how the Frosts came to the attention of congressional Democrats looking for a voice for children's health insurance. Graeme's Sept. 29 response to the president's radio address was the first by a child." Interesting, first confirmation that Zeke also attends Park. That means 3 of the 4 kids are now confirmed to have been attending Park at the time of the accident. No word yet on the 4th.
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Graeme and Zeke do attend private school, Bonnie Frost said yesterday, but on scholarship. In the Sun article she said financial aid. Reids spokesperson said they pay $500 per child. No one has said when the scholarships/financial aid began (before or after the accident. Mr. Reilly (friend of 10 years and one of the tenants at the Frosts commercial building) stated that it was his understanding the grandparents paid the tuition.
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Gemma's tuition at a special school for brain-injured children is covered by the state.The Frosts bought their home 17 years ago for $55,000. "There were drug dealers and abandoned houses on the street then," Bonnie said. The neighborhood has improved drastically.

So by her own admission it seems using the 55k figure for home worth is at best misleading. The home is 3000sf+ with a carriage house in the back. It has undergone renovations (still ongoing according to the Frosts) and is only a few doors away from another "end unit" that sold for 485k that was 1000sf smaller.

Another lie the media uses is the home's tax assessed value. They say the home is worth only 260k. The home that sold nearby was assessed for 115,000 less than what it sold for. So to rely on assessment for market value is also misleading.
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The Frosts met in college, when Halsey brought his sick cat to the animal hospital where Bonnie was working as a technician. They are Democrats but never were activists until now, they said.

When MSNBC commentator Keith Olbermann invited them to appear Friday night on his show, he asked them to bring photographs of Graeme and Gemma in the emergency room after the accident. The children were barely recognizable, their bodies covered with blood and attached to tubes.

It was a gruesome image, one that brought new criticism from conservative bloggers.

Very sad and my prayers go out to the family....but an OBX sticker on the rear of the wrecked SUV? Just raises more questions about the choices this family made when it comes to money.
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"I didn't want to make it a sensational thing," Bonnie Frost said yesterday. "It was not a decision we made lightly, to show them. But it was important to show that the kids really needed help."

No one is disputing that injured kids need help. The question is who should pay for it and what type of families are already covered. You hold yourself up to be the example...You CHOOSE to be that example. Don't get upset when people look into, as you say, families "like you" with 3000sf homes, a commercial property with tenants, 3 suvs, kids in private school....ALREADY COVERED BY SCHIP before they agree to expand this coverage to families with even more.

26 posted on 10/23/2007 11:02:15 AM PDT by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: icwhatudo
Look Again At The Frost Facts...And Don't Back Down
27 posted on 10/23/2007 11:03:51 AM PDT by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: icwhatudo
The plan, to be debated as the legislature convenes in Annapolis next week...

I thought the special session merely had to do with tax hikes.

36 posted on 10/23/2007 12:23:32 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Repeal the Terrible Two - the 16th and 17th Amendments. Sink LOST! Stop SPP!)
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To: icwhatudo; All
Excellent rebuttal. Congratulations.

I especially liked the following:

[My husband and I cannot afford health insurance," she said, as advocates announced a new radio ad featuring her. The plan, to be debated as the legislature convenes in Annapolis next week, "would help a lot of working families like us."

There we go. " LIKE US. When you say "look at me, I'm the example", don't get upset when we actually look. Its not an attack.]

The Frosts have clearly, repeatedly, made a decision to become public figures in this ongoing debate. They have done numerous newspaper interviews, have appeard on MSNBC with Keith Olbermann and are in the planning stages of a radio ad. It seems like they are covering all the media bases. The fact that people are actually interested is a testament to the effectiveness of the Frosts' "advocacy", lol.

Ultimately though, people like to deal in facts, not emotionally laden, manipulative bits of writer's fancy. The Baltimore Sun did ask the Frosts' to provide a tax return, which they refused, but that factoid, as you have pointed out, has been missing from the discussion.

IMHO, the important questions are getting a little lost in the myopic focus on the Frosts'. Is socialized medicine what Americans want? Is socialized medicine best for America? Is socialized medicine best for health and quality of care? Who is going to pay for socialized medicine? Why is the Democratic party and Vinny DeMarco in particular, choosing this as their "issue du jour" and test marketing it in the the state of Maryland?

These are just a few of the questions that should be at the forefront of a true, honest intellectual policy debate, (there are many others), not the colorful sideshow that's been provided by the leftist hucksters known as the democratic party.
38 posted on 10/23/2007 1:36:18 PM PDT by khnyny (Although prepared for martyrdom, I preferred that it be postponed. Winston Churchill)
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To: icwhatudo

I noticed today in a clip on Fox that Graeme is sporting a full set of braces.

A result of his accident, or just the $4000 rite of passage for your typical Park schooler?


40 posted on 10/23/2007 4:16:35 PM PDT by jaybee
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To: icwhatudo

I admire your tenacity and perseverance. Good luck and God bless you. Keep up the great work. People like you make a difference.


41 posted on 10/24/2007 5:39:22 PM PDT by donnab (saving liberals brains....one moron at a time.)
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