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Beware of an Arnold Dressed as a Rudy (Could Giuliani Spread the Damage Nationwide?)
Townhall ^ | October 21, 2007 | Frank Pastore

Posted on 10/21/2007 10:09:49 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o

I, a conservative Christian, am partly responsible for passing one of the most pro-gay agendas in American history.

Starting January 1, 2008, California will implement SB-777, a bill that goes far beyond the old standard of public schools not being able to do anything that would “reflect adversely” on homosexuality. Now, the new standard is you can’t do anything that would show either a “discriminatory bias” against homosexuality or anything that would favor heterosexuality.

Let me put this in simple terms.

Textbooks that now refer to “mother and father” or “mom and dad” or “King and Queen” will soon have to also include—with equal emphasis—“mom and mom,” “dad and dad” and “king and king.” There shall be no preference of any kind shown to heterosexuality. Kids, K-12, will learn that every form of family is just as “normal” as every other form. The textbooks that comply will no longer elevate as the ideal that children have both a loving mom and a loving dad, all they’ll need is “a nurturing caregiver”—or maybe a village. They’ll be taught “male” and “female” are mere social constructs that have nothing to do with sexuality or “plumbing.” Increasingly, children will be encouraged to explore their own “gender,” which means they’ll be encouraged to experiment with all forms of sexuality since nothing is “abnormal.” We’ll throw them condoms, pass out Plan B in the health center, and even put 6th grade middle school girls on the pill to ensure that we make sex “safe.” And when some get pregnant, and others get the inevitable diseases, we’ll just take them for an abortion or for treatments under HillaryCare—all during school hours, and all without their parents having a clue.

All this will happen because I—like millions of other conservative Christians in California—voted for Arnold. I voted for the Republican Arnold in order to avoid the Democrat Bustamante—but ended up getting quite of bit of Bustamante anyway. I’m not mad at Arnold, really. He told us who he was and what he believed in, and we were just glad we could vote for a candidate that had a real shot at “winning,” who could “stop Bustamante.”

Sound familiar? Now we’re told again that we have to vote for a candidate that can “win,” because we have to “stop Hillary.”

Consider this.

How many people do you know who still proudly call themselves “Republicans?” I know of increasingly few. There was a time when I was so proud of being part of the GOP. That was before all the scandals, the earmarks and the spending of “Compassionate Conservatism,” before the massive Prescription Drug Benefit and McCain-Feingold, the failure of Social Security reform, the poor communication that still continues regarding the War on Terror, the amnesty of Comprehensive Immigration Reform and the Harriet Miers Moment. I could go on.

It’s like we’ve been watching “How to Destroy a Great Party in Two Administrations.”

And now we have Arnold the Republican signing the most pro-gay agenda in our state’s history and Rudy the Republican who’s supporting abortion on demand, civil unions and gun control.

It’s déjà vu all over again: Beware of an Arnold dressed as a Rudy.

I may no longer be an enthusiastic Republican, but I am a proud conservative who’s angry at the political party that has moved away from me. I haven’t changed these past several years, they have.

In 2008, for a Republican to win, he must have the enthusiastic support of conservative Christians who will raise money, walk precincts, and get out the vote. But the reasons most Christians support the Republican Party are primarily moral, not economic nor even out of national security concerns. If Republicans lose their opposition to abortion and gay marriage they’ll lose much of the Christian vote. Sure, some will vote for the “lesser of two evils,” but it won’t be enough to win the election.

I just don’t see how Rudy can beat Hillary without a big Christian turnout—and he won’t get it.

In the end, if Republicans are foolish enough to nominate Rudy, I doubt many conservative Christians will make the mistake we did in California.

When I look at Rudy, all I see is Arnold.

The Frank Pastore Show is heard in Los Angeles weekday afternoons on 99.5 KKLA and on the web at kkla.com, and is the winner of the 2006 National Religious Broadcasters Talk Show of the Year. Frank is a former major league pitcher with graduate degrees in both philosophy of religion and political philosophy.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: elections; giuliani; rinos; rudy; rudygiuliani; sb777; schwarzenegger; stoprudy; twins
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1 posted on 10/21/2007 10:09:53 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

This is exactly why I don’t trust Rudy or Romney....or McCain for that matter. RINOs will always sell you out once in office. Of the trio I trust Mitt the least because of his record.


2 posted on 10/21/2007 10:14:18 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: don-o; Baladas; mdittmar; TitansAFC; calcowgirl; 2ndDivisionVet; finnman69; Jay777; jamese777; ...

Ping around, if you wish.


3 posted on 10/21/2007 10:18:52 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What's Rudy but Arnie in a dress?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

America is in deep trouble.


4 posted on 10/21/2007 10:19:15 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Agreed. Conservatives will just stay home and the Democrats are going to romp to victory next November.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 10/21/2007 10:20:00 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
(Could Giuliani Spread the Damage Nationwide?)

Do liberals usually crap on America?

No abortionists, no gun grabbers, no gay activists and no liberals... PERIOD! ... no Rooty, no Romney and no McCain!

6 posted on 10/21/2007 10:22:17 AM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Reagan Man
We're not going to get a good candidate like Duncan Hunter or Tom Tancredo nominated because they're viewed as "unelectable." We will probably get a milquetoast RINO and as they say - the rest is history.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

7 posted on 10/21/2007 10:23:47 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; calcowgirl; NormsRevenge; ElkGroveDan; SierraWasp

FReepers calcowgirl, NormsRevenge, SierraWasp, and the other CA FReepers were warning about this during the Gray Davis recall. But noooo. RINO apologists like FairOpinion said it was better to vote for the R and sing kumbaya.


8 posted on 10/21/2007 10:24:28 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("Just 3 hours a day with Rudy Guiliani is all I ask" -- Sean Hannity is on!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I don’t like Rudy either, but if he is the Republican candidate running against Hillary then I will vote for him. I will vote for almost anyone running against the witch.


9 posted on 10/21/2007 10:24:45 AM PDT by Old Seadog (Inside every old person is a young person saying "WTF happened?".)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
He made conservative promises, broke them and moved Left as soon as he was safely in office. Arnold is just a Democrat with the "R" label for reasons of political convenience.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

10 posted on 10/21/2007 10:26:38 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Give me a RINO candidate and I'll give you Hillary in 2008.

If we're going to send the country to hell, I'll take the express, thank you.

11 posted on 10/21/2007 10:29:14 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Well, this is pretty much what I’ve been saying all along.

If Rudy wins the primary, then you can say goodbye to the Republican Party. Because he will kill it.

I’m not going to vote for hillary. My conscience forbids it. But I’m also not going to vote for Rudy, because my conscience forbids that. And tens of millions of Christian conservatives and pro-lifers will feel the same way. Count on it.

The obvious solution to this dilemma is not to nominate Rudy. Because if he is nominated, the party will not survive, and the conservative coalition will have to start all over again from scratch.


12 posted on 10/21/2007 10:30:33 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: goldstategop
Look bucko, they're viewed as unelectable, because they are unelectable. I like Tom Tancredo. He's a good man, but he has no chance. Romney has an outside chance and McCain is a long shot.

The primary race is between Rooty and Fred. I like conservative Fred and I like his chances. I know who you support. Liberal RINO Rooty. Stop pretending, you're no conservative.

13 posted on 10/21/2007 10:32:31 AM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Old Seadog

What if the Witch was running as a Republican?.


14 posted on 10/21/2007 10:33:33 AM PDT by seemoAR
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To: Mrs. Don-o

As a Californian, I have seen the decay of my party. It has happened with a thousand cuts of trading principles for expediency, and the utter elitism of our leadership which ignores and subverts our most basic values — from the security of our borders to sticking to the basics in education. And don’t get me started on taxes.

The author is right about the importance of learning from the cautionary tale of California. Ignore it at your peril, America. RINOs are the death of the party, and of the country. Don’t give in!


15 posted on 10/21/2007 10:33:51 AM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: Reagan Man
That's why we end up with Republicans who don't excite any one and whom no one cares about... like Bob Dole in 96. I haven't see any one in this field who's really caught the "buzz." And a single primary vote hasn't been cast yet.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

16 posted on 10/21/2007 10:36:33 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Since you’re no conservative, I’ll just ignore your rhetorical bunkum.


17 posted on 10/21/2007 10:39:07 AM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

No Giuliani - no problem.


18 posted on 10/21/2007 10:40:01 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

1. Don’t blame me. I voted for Tom McClintock (when he ran against Bustamante and Arnie)

2. I prefer Mitt. For you social conservatives (I’m an economic Conservative) Mitt is against gay marriage and abortion.

3. However, should Mitt not be the nominee, I WILL definitely, positively vote for Rudy, Fred or heck, even McCain or Huckabee. Any of them are far better than the alternative.

4. All of you social Conservatives, don’t bite off your nose to spite your face. Vote for the GOP nominee, period.


19 posted on 10/21/2007 10:43:23 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: Cicero
Because if he is nominated, the party will not survive...

There's only one way: absolute crushing defeat that tells the Party leaders that the way to beat Hillary is not to be Hillary-lite. Upon Giuliani's nomination, my strategy shifts to "since she's gonna be elected, let's keep her in check." I will remind liberal-leaning people around me that the best years of the previous Clinton administration were not 93 and 94 (when Hillary tried to take over health care singlehandedly) but from 1995-2000, when the Republicans had completely taken over Congress.

The libs will freak out that she doesn't withdraw from Iraq in her first hundred days, and then she will have lost them, too. I'd rather have a defanged Hillary than to see the spectacle of Rudy begging Republicans to vote for stuff that he's already got the Rats on board with. You think we had it bad while GWB was trying to shove shamnesty down our throats? Four long years of a Rudy presidency would be like that on a daily basis. The Republican Party would rip itself to shreds.

20 posted on 10/21/2007 10:50:08 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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