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Are Some Now Understanding What Happened to Terri Schiavo Was Wrong?
Life News ^ | 10/16/07 | Wesley J. Smith

Posted on 10/16/2007 3:42:23 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: Jim Noble

Amendment V

“..nor be
deprived of LIFE (emphasis mine), liberty, ..”


61 posted on 10/16/2007 7:40:19 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: wagglebee

I love Wesley. Thanks for posting.


62 posted on 10/16/2007 7:41:00 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Jim Noble

Congress has the power under the 14th Amendment to enact legislation to ensure that no state deprives anyone of life, liberty or property without due process of law. There are legal arguments about exactly what this gives Congress the power to do and the Court in the late 1800’s restricted this definition very extensively in the Civil Rights Cases. However, I think there is still a very good faith argument that U.S. Congress does have power to do what it did under this provision of the Constitution.


63 posted on 10/16/2007 7:41:31 PM PDT by dschapin
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To: Jim Noble

I guess we know who one of the posters who will be voting for Hillary according to the FR poll is.


64 posted on 10/16/2007 7:44:20 PM PDT by penowa
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To: wagglebee
Thank you for the photo collage of Terri following instructions. This collage was all over the internet while Terri was still alive.

If there was any doubt that the media excels at propaganda, the photos of Terri is Exhibit A.

The media never bothered to ask the tough questions such as, "why can't we see Terri?" or "Why is she alert and aware?" The answers of course were "it would violate her privacy rights" or "she was already dead". Oh really.

People were misled and Terri died on 3-31-2005 about 9:00 am est.

Too bad the sheeples are seeing the light now but better late than never? Fregards, FV

65 posted on 10/16/2007 7:45:30 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER)
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To: dschapin
without due process of law

It is absurd (IMO) to argue that this gives Congress the right to sit as a court of final appeal for any state court action, or any other judicial matter.

This would confer on Congress the power of the Directory, or the Committee of Public Safety.

It is tyranny, pure and simple, and the people will have none of it.

The fact of injustice (which is everywhere present, until Jesus comes) is not a justification for a Federal legislature of unlimited powers.

66 posted on 10/16/2007 7:50:31 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: penowa
I guess we know who one of the posters who will be voting for Hillary according to the FR poll is.

You are welcome to review any of my >10 000 posts going back to May of 1998 for the slightest hint that you are correct.

67 posted on 10/16/2007 7:52:33 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Jacquerie; 8mmMauser; TheSarce
Additionally, the way people outside of Hospice Woodside were treated by law enforcement was not at all what Terri was enduring inside her room but it was chilling and appalling. We were all in snipers' sites and undercover fbi mingled with the crowd to eavesdrop. This was when I personally realized it was a new day in America and new didn't necessarily mean better.

Imagine it took all those cops to make sure that one innocent person would be killed. Judges have way too much power when the judges take control of law enforcement to enforce an illegal order.

Terri's death was a felony. That Florida Statute is on my profile page (click on my screen name).

68 posted on 10/16/2007 7:54:01 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER)
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To: wagglebee

The priest had to keep a foot distance from Terri as did her parents and siblings. The police in the room would not allow her blood relatives or priest to get more than a foot close to her. Imagine police being in what may very well end up being someone’s deathbed and keeping between Terri and them. That has to be a civil rights violation as well as a sin. It’s too nazi germany for me. The whole two weeks felt like we were in cop world.


69 posted on 10/16/2007 7:57:45 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER)
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To: Jim Noble
Michael Schiavo should not have been Terri's guardian because he had a vested interest in her death and he violated many, many guardianship laws. Judge Greer gave him a pass for THE AGENDA. Terri was killed by powerful republican judges and by the GOP fundraising machine. Their donations dropped significantly after Terri died on March 31, 2005.

Read about the felony Judge Greer committed by writing an illegal order to kill a human being on my profile page. Judge Greer should be in jail.

70 posted on 10/16/2007 8:01:34 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER)
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To: Jim Noble

They didn’t sit as a court. All they did was give the appelate court original jurisdiction so that it could re-examine the facts that Judge Greer had already found. Otherwise, any factual determinations that Judge Greer had made would have had to be given substantial deference and could only be overturned if they were shown to be clearly erroneous.


71 posted on 10/16/2007 8:02:55 PM PDT by dschapin
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To: bjs1779

Yep. There it is. It is so obvious to me that she is responding to the doctor’s request. If this was just random movements, she wouldn’t turn her head toward the doctor, lift her head almost off the pillow and open her eyes so wide and even raise her eyebrows.

She was aware.


72 posted on 10/16/2007 8:05:07 PM PDT by Shelayne (NO running or relenting until the problem has been dealt with-decisively,systematically,permanently.)
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To: floriduh voter
Michael Schiavo should not have been Terri's guardian because he had a vested interest in her death and he violated many, many guardianship laws. Judge Greer gave him a pass for THE AGENDA. Terri was killed by powerful republican judges and by the GOP fundraising machine. Their donations dropped significantly after Terri died on March 31, 2005. Read about the felony Judge Greer committed by writing an illegal order to kill a human being on my profile page. Judge Greer should be in jail.

I do not disagree with anything you say, except that I don't know enough about Florida to know if Greer committed a crime for which he could be incarcerated.

The failure of Florida's courts, and especially of Florida's governor, left Mrs. Schiavo without a remedy.

That has NOTHING to do with the farce that was played out in Congress, which should give any adherent of the remnants of Constitutional governance nightmares.

AND, by the way, it should also give Mrs. Schiavo's advocates some insight into why they are out of power, and aren't coming back anytime soon.

But that appears to be a vain hope.

73 posted on 10/16/2007 8:08:14 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
No, there are Terri supporters in Pinellas County and we're all friends now. Don't saw Pinellas County off lol. We're helping other people with disabilities and maintain close contact on many issues.

The guilty parties are cursed but hold Terri's Florida supporters harmless. She was starved and dehydrated inside and outside, the cops could have shot people. They were itching too. Swat, local cops, fbi, wackenhut, german shepherds, and homeland security. If they went after the Mexican border with that kind of zeal, we'd have a secure border by now.

74 posted on 10/16/2007 8:09:34 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER)
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To: dschapin
They didn’t sit as a court. All they did was give the appelate court original jurisdiction so that it could re-examine the facts that Judge Greer had already found.

But in order to do that, they first had to act as a fact-finder with regard to complex matters which had already been litigated to the nines.

Congress has no competency to do this, and the power which they claimed by so doing is a power without intrinsic limit.

They were wrong, and this reckless usurpation played a significant role in the recent change of power, IMO. And until Republicans understand this, they aren't coming back.

75 posted on 10/16/2007 8:11:50 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: pbear8
Judge Greer per recent C-Span lecture, says he is always looking over his shoulder. He has not atoned but he is certainly afraid for his safety. He showed no concern for Terri's well being.

http://www.judgegeorgegreer.com (very good site).

76 posted on 10/16/2007 8:12:29 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER)
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To: ElkGroveDan

what a line up!! Scary!!!!!


77 posted on 10/16/2007 8:12:48 PM PDT by pollywog (Joshua 1:9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid,)
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To: dschapin

You missed that the President came to Pinellas, met a hospice volunteer at the airport and gave her a volunteer spirit medal, then attending a million dollar gop fundraiser at Greer’s friend’s home. Greer will never be tried but he belongs in prison. The gop mafia in Pinellas has his back, even George W. Bush has his back.


78 posted on 10/16/2007 8:15:03 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER)
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To: Halls
I’ll never forget about the murder of Terri. It has left me afraid of what has happened to our country. I loved Terri even though I never knew her. I WIll meet her in Heaven. I pray that Michael Schiavo comes to know the Lord as I believe in my heart he is headed for one place and that isn’t Heaven

me neither, Halls!!! I feel it was the beginning of a slope we are now on that is moving faster and FASTER towards destruction!! God Bless Terri's Memory!! POlly

79 posted on 10/16/2007 8:15:24 PM PDT by pollywog (Joshua 1:9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid,)
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To: Jim Noble

ah, but judicial tyranny is okay by you.


80 posted on 10/16/2007 8:16:26 PM PDT by floriduh voter (Terri Ping List: 8mmmauser & I'm 4 DUNCAN HUNTER)
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