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To: SirLinksalot
I see anti-Semitism as the desire to see the entire Jewish race wiped out.

I'm pretty sure that insulting feelings toward all Jews qualifies as anti-Semitism, as the term is commonly understood.

Desiring them to be perfected CANNOT equate to this.

Desiring a group of people different from you to be "perfected", when you define perfection to be whatever you are, can certainly be seen as insulting.
107 posted on 10/11/2007 2:08:06 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Ann was making a religious statement. Perfection, when Christians speak about Judaism, has to do with the relationship between the two religions, something that shouldn't be too hard to grasp when one considers that Christianity is a Jewish heresy, or, to be less tendentious, builds itself on the foundation of Judaism. We think that Jesus "perfects" (in the sense of "completes") the revelation to the Jews. This older use of the word has less of the sense of thorough excellence and more of the sense of consummation or completion. A cake is "perfected" (or not) in the baking.

If that's insulting, then monotheism is insulting. Certainly I've had Buddhist friends cheerfully mock Christianity as well as discuss their doctrinal objections to it.

130 posted on 10/11/2007 2:22:26 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
...when you define perfection to be whatever you are, can certainly be seen as insulting.

Do you want Christians to just be phony, and NOT believe in redemption and salvation which is at the center of their (my) faith.

Would you rather Christians just say to themselves, 'ah, what the heck. who cares about other people. They ain't worth nothin'. Just let them stay the way they are.

I believe that anyone TRULY proud of their faith would like to see others convert to that faith.

201 posted on 10/11/2007 3:59:49 PM PDT by Edit35
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
I'm pretty sure that insulting feelings toward all Jews qualifies as anti-Semitism, as the term is commonly understood.

Then I see a logical problems with this.

1) Some Jews are insulted by your merely suggesting that their ancestor or past religious leaders were complicit in the death of Jesus Christ ( witness the Passion of the Christ and the reaction to it ). Which means, the simple telling of a New Testament narrative (which most Christians support) equates to anti-semitism. But to say that it is anti-semitic is of course ridiculous.

2) Some Jews are insulted and feel it is anti-semitic to want them to convert ( e.g. Rabbi Boteach), some don't ( Dennis Prager and Daniel Lapin ). So, whose definition are we to conform to ?

Desiring a group of people different from you to be "perfected", when you define perfection to be whatever you are, can certainly be seen as insulting.

If this is so, then religious Jews have an anti-Gentilic ( if such a word exists) problem also. IMPLICIT in their beliefs is that the 10 Commandments tell us that we are not supposed to worship anyone but YHWH. THEIR GOD frowns on such practice and anyone who does so is sinning against God. Heck, their God condemns other tribes around Israel for this very practice.

This implies that those who worship Jesus ( who they believe is a mere man ) are blaspheming the true God. Oh they might not say it aloud, but it is IMPLICIT in their teaching. This also applies to Hindus, Buddhist, etc.

In other words IMPLICIT in their belief, is this --- OTHER RELIGION ARE IMPERFECT in their concept of God. Yet, we don't see it as insulting.

The fact that one does not say it allowed does not mean that the belief is not IMPLIED.
233 posted on 10/11/2007 5:55:37 PM PDT by SirLinksalot
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