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The Lefties are just going bonkers about this one. Keith Obermann designated Medved the worst person in the world on his Oct. 1 show. But everything Medved is saying here makes sense. He doesn't mention Arab involvement in rounding up slaves but regardless, I think this is a courageous and truthful essay. BTW, the liberals are in a furor because by telling the truth and revealing slavery's marginal impact on modern African-Americans, the liberal Democrats' emotional manipulation of African-Americans is weakened. If people of European descent are shown to be more humane than liberal textbooks show, then the anger that propels liberals into Congress will disapate and a greater sense of patriotism and pride will ensue. This is one reason the liberal Democrats hate American nationalism and patriotism because it implies that this country, built mostly by European Americans is not an evil invention. More and more Americans would then unite and feel more for their country because they will realize that its existence is worthwhile and will strive to defend it.
1 posted on 10/03/2007 11:24:53 PM PDT by TheThinker
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...the actual capture and kidnapping of the millions of victims always occurred at the hands of neighboring tribes.

I remember reading somewhere that the Africans Bill Clinton apologized to were actually the descendants of the slave traders who sold the slaves.

One myth I wish Medved had addressed is the myth that a war was necessary to end slavery in the United States. Slavery ended peacefully everywhere in the western world except here and Haiti. It would have ended peacefully here as well.

2 posted on 10/03/2007 11:35:08 PM PDT by antinomian
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Keith Obermann designated Medved the worst person in the world on his Oct. 1 show.

Which has as much impact on the nation as if the local old maid who lives with a hundred cats did the same.

3 posted on 10/03/2007 11:37:57 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life atheist living in Boston)
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BTW, the liberals are in a furor because by telling the truth and revealing slavery's marginal impact on modern African-Americans, the liberal Democrats' emotional manipulation of African-Americans is weakened. If people of European descent are shown to be more humane than liberal textbooks show, then the anger that propels liberals into Congress will disapate and a greater sense of patriotism and pride will ensue. This is one reason the liberal Democrats hate American nationalism and patriotism because it implies that this country, built mostly by European Americans is not an evil invention. More and more Americans would then unite and feel more for their country because they will realize that its existence is worthwhile and will strive to defend it.

Bingo! And I think centrist should conduct a poll amoung black Americans asking the following questions:

1. Where would you prefer to live as an average citizen, Europe or Africa?

2. Within the last 400 years, which governments established a relatively high quality of life for its citizens, European or African?

3. Which continent has had slavery throughout its history and where slavery still exists, Europe or Africa?

4. In which continent do people die by the thousands every year to leave due to unliveable conditions, Europe or Africa?

5. As an American, which continent best describes your values, Europe or Africa?

6. Which political party promotes the values of Africa in America for black Americans, Republican or Democratic?

7. Which political party promotes the values of Europe in America for black Americans, Republican or Democratic?

8. Which values do Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton promote for black Americans, European or African?

9. Which values should black American’s have, European or African?

10. Which values should white American’s have, European or African?

This would provide hard data to support the claim that the left's destruction of black America is based on illusions that are created in the minds of white and black Americans.

4 posted on 10/03/2007 11:39:01 PM PDT by kipita (Conservatives: Freedom and Responsibility------Liberals: Freedom from Responsibility)
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Sharia law institutionalizes slavery...all Muslims accept slavery to Allah....many Western leaders, politicians call it a noble religion when it is first and foremost a political system of no freedom of thought, action at all...its way of life rules every minute of the day in required compliance to all its rules. Darfur in Somalia is named from the old Arabic term dar-fur..meaning land of slaves...it is where Arabians have obtained slaves for 1400 years and still do today. Muslims in the US have gone to jail recently for having slaves in this country. This latter fact is an inconvenient truth. WE are not ensuring that mosques in this country in their unmonitored teachings would not, do not, allow slavery....after all, all Islam is noble. This is the 7th inconvenient truth.


5 posted on 10/03/2007 11:39:41 PM PDT by givemELL
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Slavery in America and throughout the world, for all of history is an abomination. However, what makes slavery in America a greater abomination is that the U.S. was the only nation with a Constitution and Bill of Rights which of course did not apply to people that were held as slaves.

It is this hypocrisy of the American system that makes it a greater embarrassment.

In many ways the U.S. was not a legitimate constitutional republic until after the 13th, 14th, 15th and 19th Amendments were passed.

6 posted on 10/03/2007 11:55:31 PM PDT by trumandogz
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Several weeks ago I saw Al Sharpton on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. They discussed the immorality and inhumanity of slavery at length, as if they think we are not aware enough of it.

I just wish one of those knuckleheads had mentioned that the Republican Party was fought to end slavery while the Democratic Party fought to maintain it.

A little historical perspective could be helpful, eh. Oh, wait, we can’t let people actually know the truth, can we.


7 posted on 10/04/2007 12:01:18 AM PDT by RussP
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1. SLAVERY WAS AN ANCIENT AND UNIVERSAL INSTITUTION, NOT A DISTINCTIVELY AMERICAN INNOVATION.

You are making a generalization that hides the truth. There were many ways of slavery. Hispanic slavery was originally an institution related to war, especially to the war against the Muslims. It was a manner of getting some profit out of prisoners. Moreover in the Hispanic America, urban slaves could appeal to the Catholic church or even to the courts to avoid abuses or settle disputes with their owners. Of course, in the immense countryside there was no such a chance.

...the Nazis occasionally benefited from the slave labor of their victims, but the ultimate purpose of facilities like Auschwitz involved mass death, not profit or productivity.

Wrong. The Jews were finally exterminated because of profit. Read Gotz Aly: six million of prisoners were a cost for Nazi germany.

While the United States (and the British colonies that preceded our independence) played no prominent role in creating the institution of slavery, or even in establishing the long-standing African slave trade pioneered by Arab, Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch and other merchants long before the settlement of English North America,

Oh come on! The plantation system was created by the Portuguese in Brazil, and carried to the English Caribbean by Jews fleeing from Pernanbuco when this city, previously taken by the Dutch, was reconquered by the Portuguese in 1641. In the British commercial world the system was utterly improved. To avoid revolts, a sharp distinction between races was imposed by the elites of North America. (Empires of the Atlantic World, Britain and Spain in America 1492-1830; Michael Elliot)
11 posted on 10/04/2007 12:10:29 AM PDT by J Aguilar
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The United States, on the other hand, sponsored only one long-term venture on the African continent: the colony of Liberia, an independent nation set up as a haven for liberated American slaves who wanted to go “home.” The fact that so few availed themselves of the opportunity, or heeded the back-to-African exhortations of turn- of-the-century Black Nationalist Marcus Garvey, reflects the reality that descendants of slaves understood they were better off remaining in the United States, for all its faults.

Something not often told is how when returned to Africa, the first thing the former slaves did was enslave the native Africans.

13 posted on 10/04/2007 12:26:15 AM PDT by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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"He doesn't mention Arab involvement in rounding up slaves but regardless, I think this is a courageous and truthful essay."

Sure he does:

"While the United States (and the British colonies that preceded our independence) played no prominent role in creating the institution of slavery, or even in establishing the long-standing African slave trade pioneered by Arab, Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch and other merchants long before the settlement of English North America, Americans did contribute mightily to the spectacularly successful anti-slavery agitation.

19 posted on 10/04/2007 1:58:16 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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The lure of cheap labor is the bane of all nations.


22 posted on 10/04/2007 2:28:42 AM PDT by The Duke (I have met the enemy, and he is named 'Apathy'!)
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"....bear any authentic sort of generational guilt for the exploitation of slave labor."

There's no such thing as "generational guilt" It's yet another fiction generated by the left. YOU/I are/am responsible for the sins YOU/I commit---not the ones your ancestors did.

24 posted on 10/04/2007 3:28:35 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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A big part of the problem:

...and the solution...

26 posted on 10/04/2007 4:24:38 AM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Almo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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and the RATS, take another one in the...............HA ha!!!

31 posted on 10/04/2007 3:35:51 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
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