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To: dschapin
It is of the same effect by different means.

If most strident pro-life advocates were not so repellingly absolutist they could expand their support base and could well achieve most of their objectives.

You are a perfect example of why that isn’t so.

You need to read deeper.
Hitler was very pro children. He was not a fiscal conservative and ran the printing press and more imprudently issued foreigner bonds he could no longer pay the interest on. He then invaded to physically bring goods and labor that he could no longer borrow to pay for.

I am not aware of any Republican state that doesn’t allow abortion, although many require seat belts and no smoking. I guess that can give you a idea as to your delusions about the feelings of Republican masses and what they get done. As far as abortion in the Republican party, it is the same as fiscal restraint. All talk and no action.

270 posted on 10/01/2007 3:53:47 PM PDT by Leisler (Liberalism. It is not a philosophy, it is a disease.)
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To: Leisler

I agree. From my experience on threads even referring to abortion, I don’t get the feeling that I could ever work on the same side as the pro-lifers because they are so absolutist.

It used to be the ‘quickening’ was considered the cut-off point and abortion has been with us since the beginning. Their real argument is with the potential mother, not with the laws, which as has been shown with anti-gun and anti-drug laws cannot be fully enforced. And what will we do? Start jailing women who took the morning after pill?

The other part I find hilarious is how many think the birth control pill is a tool of murder or how a pill that prevents fertilization or of the egg from taking to the lining is EQUIVALENT to lining babies up and shooting them.

They make the same mistake as the pro-abortion side. By putting their weight behind partial birth abortion, they probably drew others closer(philosophically) to a pro-life side.

I have, myself, gone from one extreme to another on this issue and that is likely because it is far more complex because there seem to be different benchmarks in a human life’s development. I do not and will never consider a recently fertilized egg to be on the same plane as a baby just born or a 10 year old or 40 year old man.

But by engaging in the name-calling and the rejection of secular pro-lifers, they ensure that the potential recent advantages they’ve gained in the debate are squandered.

I’ve personally seen far more people in the last 5-7 years give real thought to pro-life positions and demonstrate horror, sadness or some hesitation on the abortion issue than I saw in my younger years.

And some of us think that a Constitutional Republic which, at its inception, did not totally ban abortion or view it as the defining issue of their time, is more important than JUST solving this one problem.

Brazil banned abortions and they still have one million + a year. Fat good it does us to outlaw abortion if it doesn’t go away, other than give some the path to executing abortion doctors and women.


275 posted on 10/01/2007 4:57:32 PM PDT by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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