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Police chiefs call for ban on assault weapons
Miami Herald ^ | Sep. 20, 2007 | SUSANNAH A. NESMITH

Posted on 09/20/2007 12:42:47 PM PDT by neverdem

The International Association of Chiefs of Police urged Congress to pass `an effective assault weapons ban.'

The International Association of Chiefs of Police issued a report Wednesday calling for a ban on assault weapons, arguing it will make officers safer by reducing the ``firepower available to criminals.''

The report hits home this week in South Florida, where law enforcement officials are still reeling from the murder of one of their own. Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Alvarez, a former police officer and police director, gets angry when he talks about the fact that the gun used to kill Officer Jose Somohano was legal.

''There's absolutely no reason I can see having these weapons out on the street,'' he said.

His voice rising, he brings up Shawn LaBeet, the man who killed Somohano and shot three other officers: ``This guy just went to a gun store with a fake ID and bought one.''

Somohano was killed with a Mak-90, a modified assault rifle that was not covered by the assault weapons ban that expired three years ago. A bill in Congress now would ban it, but that legislation hasn't made it out of committee.

Police say LaBeet bought nine guns in the past year, including six assault rifles.

Local police say the number of murders committed with assault weapons has been steadily rising since the ban expired in 2004. They've become popular on the street, Miami Police Chief John Timoney said.

''It's become fashionable, if you will,'' he said. ``It's almost the gun of choice.''

In Miami, four people were killed with assault weapons in 2003. Last year, 15 murders were committed with assault weapons. So far this year, 12 people have been killed with high-powered guns.

Dr. David Shatz, a University of Miami trauma surgeon at Jackson Memorial Hospital, sees the trend in the emergency room.

''The appearance of violent crime has dropped in half in the last six or seven years,'' he said. ``But assault weapon injuries seem to be increasing.''

Without an assault weapon ban, local law enforcement officers say they're forced to ramp up their own arsenals.

Miami police recently decided to allow officers to carry assault rifles. Last year, the Broward Sheriff's Office allowed deputies to carry them. Fort Lauderdale police have been allowed to for six years.

Miami-Dade police have plans to do the same, Alvarez said. But he doesn't think that will solve the problem, because officers can't carry them on every call.

''They're not going to get out of their cars on a traffic stop with an assault rifle slung over their shoulder,'' he said. ``They're not going to approach a house with an assault rifle in their hands.''

Local law enforcement officials say they're looking to Congress for an answer.

''This is not a local issue. It has local implications, obviously. A police officer was just killed here,'' said Timoney, an ardent gun control advocate.

``The resolution of this is in the nation's capital. But there's no appetite to address that.''

U.S. Reps. Ron Klein, D-Boca Raton; Alcee Hastings, D-Miramar, and Kendrick Meek, D-Miami, all said Wednesday they support a new assault weapon ban.

''That officer was killed by an assault weapon that shouldn't have been in anybody's hands, at all,'' Hastings said angrily Wednesday.

The National Rifle Association was provided with a copy of the IACP report, but did not return phone calls for comment. Several Republican lawmakers also did not return phone calls.


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To: neverdem
Getting The Facts STRAIGHT
About "Assault Weapons"


FACT: "Assault Weapons" are RARELY ever used in crimes -

Guns Used In Crimes:
Top 10 Most Frequently Traced Guns Used In Crimes In 1994 (BEFORE the "Assault Weapon" Ban):

1) Lorcin P25 (pistol)
2) Davis Ind. P380 (pistol)
3) Raven Arms MP25 (pistol)
4) Lorcin L25 (pistol)
5) Mossberg 500 (shotgun)
6) Phoenix Arms Raven (pistol)
7) Jennings J22 (pistol)
8) Ruger P89 (pistol)
9) Glock 17 (pistol)
10) Bryco 38 (pistol)


FACT: "Assault Weapons" are RARELY ever used to kill police officers -

Firearm Caliber and % Of LEOs Killed:
Calibers Most Often Used To Kill Police Officers In 1994 (BEFORE the "Assault Weapon" Ban):
1) .38 caliber handgun - 25.2%
2) .357 magnum handgun - 12.1%
3) 9mm handgun - 9.5%
5) 12 gauge shotgun - 7.4%
6) .22 caliber handgun - 5.4%
7) .22 caliber rifle - 4.4%


And according to the most recent detailed report, Dept. of Justice; Firearm Use by Offender...

FACT: "Assault weapons" are RARELY possessed by criminals during commission of a crime -
State and Federal prison inmates armed during the crime for which they are being incarcerated: (table 2)
* 9.9% of state and 7.3% of federal inmates possessed "single-shot" firearms.
* 7.9% of state and 7.7% of federal inmates possessed conventional semiautomatic firearm.
* 1.5% of state and 1.7% of federal inmates possessed military-style semi-auto or full-auto firearms.



FACT: "Assault weapons" are RARELY involved in ANY crimes -
State and Federal prison inmates who have ever possessed firearms during ANY crime: (table 2)
* 14.2% of state and 10.6% of federal inmates possessed "single-shot" firearm during ANY crime.
* 10.9% of state and 9.8% of federal inmates possessed conventional semiautomatic firearm during ANY crime.
* 2.5% of state and 2.3% of federal inmates possessed military-style semi-auto or full-auto firearms during ANY crime.



FACT: "Assault weapons" possessed by criminals during crimes are usually obtained ILLEGALLY -
Of State prison inmates who possessed military-style semi-auto or full-auto firearms in crimes for which they are incarcerated: (table 10)
* 48.5% obtained them through illegal sources (theft, drug dealer, black market, etc.)
* 25.2% obtained them from family or friend.
* 19.3% obtained them from retail sale.
* 1.9% obtained them from gun shows.


Also from the same source DOJ source:

FACT: "Assault weapons" that are possessed during a crime are the LEAST LIKELY type of firearm to be actually discharged during the crime.

FACT: "Assault weapons" that are possessed during a crime are the LEAST LIKELY type of firearm to be used to injure the victim.

FACT: "Assault weapons" that are possessed during a crime are the LEAST LIKELY type of firearm to be used to kill the victim.


"ASSAULT WEAPONS" HAVE NEVER BEEN A SIGNIFICANT FACTOR IN GUN-CRIMES.



FACT: The "Assault Weapon" Ban Did NOT Reduce The Number Of Officers Killed In The Line Of Duty -

Six years prior to "Assault Weapon" Ban:
Year....Total LEOs Killed...By Handguns...By Other Guns...By Other Methods

1988..................78.......................63......................13....................2
1989..................66.......................40......................17....................9
1990..................66.......................48.......................9....................9
1991..................71.......................50......................18....................3
1992..................64.......................44......................11....................9
1993..................70.......................50......................17....................3
TOTALS...........415......................295......................85...................35


Six years after "Assault Weapon" Ban:
Year....Total LEOs Killed...By Handguns...By Other Guns...By Other Methods

1995..................74.......................43......................19...................12
1996..................61.......................50.......................7....................4
1997..................70.......................49......................18....................3
1998..................61.......................40......................18....................3
1999..................42.......................25......................16....................1
2000..................51.......................33......................14....................4
TOTALS...........355......................240......................92...................26


CHANGE......(-14%).................(-19%)................(+8%)...........(-26%)

Source: US Dept. Justice, Law Enforcement Officers Feloniously Killed
* The number of police killed by non-handgun firearms (which includes "assault weapons") has NOT decreased since the passing of the "assault weapon" ban in 1994 but in fact has INCREASED since the passage of the AWB. And this comes despite the decrease in the number of LEOs killed by all other means INCLUDING handguns.
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THE "ASSAULT WEAPON" BAN REDUCED THE NUMBER OF LEOs KILLED. PERIOD.



FACT: Studies demonstrated that the "Assault Weapon" ban "FAILED" to reduce gun-murders:
From The 1997 "Impact Evaluation" of the "Assault Weapon" Ban -
"We were unable to detect any reduction to date in two types of gun murders that are thought to be closely associated with assault weapons, those with multiple victims in a single incident and those producing multiple bullet wounds per victim. We did find a reduction in killings of police officers since mid-1995. However, the available data are partial and preliminary, and the trends may have been influenced by law enforcement agency policies regarding bullet-proof vests."

5.2.3. Assault Weapons and Crime -
"...assault weapons do not appear to be used disproportionately in violent crime relative to other guns" "Overall, assault weapons accounted for about 1% of guns associated with homicides, aggravated assaults, and robberies" and "only 2% of guns associated with drug crimes were assault weapons."

5.2.4. Unbanned Handguns Capable of Accepting Large-capacity Magazines -
"The ban on large-capacity magazines does not seem to have discouraged the use of these guns."

6.2.1. Trends in Multiple-Victim Gun Homicides -
"[Studies] failed to produce any evidence that the ban reduced the number of victims per gun homicide incident."

6.3.4. Conclusions -
"[Studies] failed to produce evidence of a post-ban reduction in the average number of gunshot wounds per case or in the proportion of cases involving multiple wounds."

6.4.2. Assault Weapons and Homicides of Police Officers -
"In sum, police officers are rarely murdered with assault weapons."

From The 1999 "Impacts of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban"Report To Congress -
"the weapons ["assault weapons] banned by this legislation were used only rarely in gun crimes before the ban"

"The ban has failed to reduce the average number of victims per gun murder incident or multiple gunshot wound victims."

"...the banned guns are used in only a small fraction of gun crimes; even before the ban, most of them rarely turned up in law enforcement agencies' requests... to trace the sales histories of guns recovered in criminal investigations."

"The ban's short-term impact on gun violence has been uncertain"


From The FINAL June 2004 "Updated Assessment On The Federal Assault Weapon Ban" Report To Congress -
"AWs [Assault weapons] were used in only a small fraction of gun crimes prior to the ban"

"...we cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation's recent drop in gun violence."

"...there has been no discernible reduction in the lethality and injuriousness of gun violence... as we might have expected had the ban reduced crimes committed with AWs (assault weapons) and LCMs (large-capacity magazines)."

"Thus, it is premature to make definitive assessments of the ban's impact on gun violence."


THE DEFINITIVE CONGRESSIONAL REPORTS ON THE "ASSAULT WEAPON" ALL BAN SHOWED THAT IT "FAILED" TO REDUCE GUN-MURDERS.



FACT: "Assault weapons" are NOT "machine guns".
They are "semi-automatic" meaning one pull of the trigger=one bullet discharged while the next bullet is then chambered ready for the next trigger pull. "Assault weapons" are not full-auto firearms and they do NOT "spray" bullets with a single pull of the trigger.
"ASSAULT WEAPONS" ARE NOT MACHINE-GUNS.



FACT: The "Assault weapon" Ban had NOTHING to do with silencers.
One of the cosmetic features addressed by the "Assault Weapon" Ban included flash-suppressors which reduce the bright muzzle-glare ONLY in the eyes of the shooter in low-light conditions. Flash-suppressors do NOT "hide" the bright flash from any other observer and do NOT "silence" the very loud report of the gunshot sound.
"FLASH-SUPPRESSORS" ARE NOT "SILENCERS" AND DO NOT MAKE THE SHOOTER "INVISIBLE" AT NIGHT.



FACT: The Columbine-Killers did not violate any provision of "Assault Weapon" ban.
The firearms used in Columbine included two shotguns (like those used for duck hunting), a pistol and a legally-produced TEC-9 "assault weapon". The AWB did not stop those two UNDERAGE killers from illegally acquiring them or illegally bringing them to school or illegally murdering 13 people.
THE "ASSAULT WEAPON" BAN DID NOT TAKE GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS OF CRIMINALS.



FACT: The "Assault Weapon" Ban did NOT actually ban "assault weapons"
The ban only prohibited the NEW PRODUCTION of certain firearms based on cosmetic features. There were hundreds of thousands of "assault weapons" legally owned, bought and sold BEFORE the ban was implemented and, DESPITE the overall drop in crime rates during the ban, there were STILL hundreds of thousands of "assault weapons" legally owned, bought and sold during the 10 years of the ban's existance.
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF EXISTING "UZIs, AR-15s AND AK-47s" WERE COMPLETELY LEGAL TO OWN, BUY AND SELL FOR THE ENTIRE DURATION OF THE FEDERAL "ASSAULT WEAPON BAN" - AND YET CRIME RATES STILL DECREASED.



FACT: The 2nd Amendment is NOT about "duck hunting".
Military-style firearms (like "assault weapons") are specifically protected by the 2nd Amendment according to the U.S. Supreme Court rulings in U.S. v. Miller (1939) and Lewis v. U.S. (1980).
* In the Miller decision the Supreme Court stated, "In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession of [a particular gun] has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument".
* In the Lewis decision, the Supreme Court stated, "the Second Amendment guarantees no right to keep and bear a firearm that does not have 'some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia'".
SO ACCORDING TO THE SUPREME COURT, MILITARY-STYLE FIREARMS ARE EXACTLY THE TYPE OF FIREARMS THAT ARE PROTECTED BY THE 2ND AMENDMENT.



FACT: Nobody NEEDS to infringe on the 2nd Amendment in order to reduce crime.

Our RIGHTS do not ebb and flow or come and go with the annual crime reports.

Our RIGHTS do not depend upon what today's gangbangers or psychopaths decide to do to get their next thrill or rage out.

Our RIGHTS are not contingent upon, qualified by nor based on what CRIMINALS use to commit crimes!

Our RIGHTS are derived from natural law, specifically protected by the Constitution and are NOT dependant on the findings in any crime studies!!!

Banning the possession of "assault weapons" because of some crime statistics is like banning the possession of sports cars because of drunk driving deaths or like banning the possession of the boxcutters because of 9-11.

OUR RIGHTS ARE NOT PREDICATED ON THE MOST RECENT CRIME STATISTICS!





It's Not Just A Gun...

It's My "HOMELAND DEFENSE RIFLE"!!
61 posted on 09/20/2007 4:08:16 PM PDT by The_Macallan
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To: TChris

Yes, we need to pass more laws to ban the ownership of firearms.
But... of course, the Police will need to keep theirs
because,
There will always be illegal guns out there.


62 posted on 09/20/2007 4:27:02 PM PDT by Delmarksman (Pro 2A Anglican American (Ford and Chevy kill more people than guns do, lets ban them))
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To: Disambiguator

(1) Assault weapons are already banned. What the dorky PC Chiefs’ outfit is asking for is most likely an “ugly weapons ban”.

(2) Gun bans are unnecessary. All that is needed is to pass a law banning criminal behavior.

(Makes sense to any idiot, psychotic or Liberal)


63 posted on 09/20/2007 5:28:41 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (Bush's Legacy: 100 million new Dem voters in next 20 yrs via the 2007 Amnesty Act.)
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To: neverdem
International Association of Chiefs of Police

Known far left gun grabbing group, composed of the politically appointed Police Chiefs, not of the rank and file, nor of elected Sheriffs. Founded in Chicago, long time home of corrupt mayors, clear back to 1893 when the IACP was founded.

The report of their "2007 Great La kes Summit on Gun Violence" entitled "Taking a Stand: Reducing Gun Violence in Our Communities" had the following specific recommendations:

• Requiring judges and law enforcement to remove guns from situations of domestic violence, as well as from people whose adjudicated mental illness, drug use, or previous criminal record suggests the possibility of violence

• Requiring that all gun sales take place through Federal Firearms License (FFL) holders with mandatory background checks

Enacting an effective ban on military-style assault weapons, armor-piercing handgun ammunition, .50 caliber sniper rifles and other weapons that enable criminals to outgun law enforcement

• Restoring COPS funding to provide vital resources to state, local and tribal law enforcement

• Repealing the Tiahrt Amendment, which hinders investigation of illegal gun trafficking

And Look Here on their website. Rudy G. is speaking at their fund raising dinner.

So much for his supposed "sweet talking" of the NRA and gun owners in general.

Up Yours

(to both Rudy and the IACP)

64 posted on 09/20/2007 5:44:58 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Plains Drifter
I personally don’t give a damn what the National Association of Police Chiefs calls for.

It's the International Association. Wouldn't want to leave out all those foreign chiefs. Such as the ones in Moscow, Beijing, Tokyo, London and of course Tehran and Damascus as well as other places with no Second Amendment making more difficult the job of keeping the subjects in line.

65 posted on 09/20/2007 6:07:59 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: NRA2BFree

Your post is great! I wish you were running for a high elected office.

There was another casualty of illegals to add to your list.
A few days ago, near San Jose, California, a woman was loading her son’s bicycle into her car with her two young sons standing near her. An illegal alien drunk driver lost control of his car and hit the woman. She’ll survive, but she is going to lose one of her legs.
This same illegal alien was recently cited for another drunk driving incident. Sean Hannity asked, on his radio show, “Why wasn’t he deported then?” (after the first arrest). Good question!


66 posted on 09/20/2007 6:14:53 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (My number one goal in life is to leave a bigger carbon footprint than Al Gore.)
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To: El Gato
I notice that the uniforms of dictatorial types often imply higher rank by large number of ribbons,chevrons, stars and so on than their wearer's actual status warrants;why does a mere police cief get four stars ?How many divisions does he command? The excesses of various Third World leaders almost comical uniforms comes to mind. Besides,I just dislike anybody who wants to disarm the peaceable citizens.

Reason magazine had a great little comic-strip style Second Admendment article recently.Was shocked to find it in the public library!

67 posted on 09/20/2007 6:33:41 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: neverdem
the gun used to kill Officer Jose Somohano was legal.

But the Shawn LaBeet guy who pulled the trigger was not. He was an "ineligible person", otherwise he would not have used a fake ID to purchase the weapons. He was committing a federal felony when he bought the weapons. (so much for the vaunted Instant Background Check/backdoor gun registration system).

Why don't you worry about the criminals, putting and keeping them in jail and deporting them if they aren't citizens, instead of the tools they use? I thought catching criminals was your job. If it is, and it is, you are pi$$ poor at it.

As local officials, every one of you SOBs is required by the Constitution of the United States, specifically Article VI 3rd paragraph, to "support this Constitution". Likely you also swore to support or uphold the constitution of your state as well. The federal Constitution flatly prohibits what you propose as does the Florida Constitution.

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
Second Amendment, Constitution for The United States.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed, except that the manner of bearing arms may be regulated by law.
Article 1, Section 8. Florida constitution

You are all oath violators, and should be summarily removed from office.

68 posted on 09/20/2007 6:34:00 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Cuttnhorse
I see Israelis wandering around all over their cities with AWs slung over their shoulders. I suspect that the knowledge that a LEO was packing a fully auto AW would be quite the little deterrent.

Yeah, but the knowledge that the guy you are trying to car jack, rob, mug, or burgle, or the woman you are trying rape (or the guy for that matter) is likely to contest the matter with hot semi-jacketed lead is an even better deterrent. The police may not be around, but the would be victim always is, except for some property crimes, when she may or may not be. The uncertainty alone is something of a deterent in conjunction with a high probablity that she is armed.

69 posted on 09/20/2007 6:40:12 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: neverdem
Maybe we should ban people named LaBeet. Or at least any close relatives of this particular one, Shawn. He comes from a "crime family". His half brother, Ishmael, was the leader of a gang that murdered of 8 people in the US Virgin Islands in 1972. In 1984 when he was being taken to the Islands to testify in another trial, he somehow got got a gun (probably placed in the restroom of the aircraft by another LaBeet relative or gang member) and hijacked the plane to Cuba. Ishmael remains a fugitive.

Ishmael

Shawn

70 posted on 09/20/2007 7:06:09 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Myrddin
Police chiefs are politicians. They say anything necessary to keep the office. That includes placating liberal city councils that appoint them or liberal voters who elect them in cases where they are not appointed. Few of them are individuals with a spine and principles. I freely applaud the minority that do have principles in accordance with our Constitution.

Bingo.

71 posted on 09/20/2007 7:43:45 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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To: OldArmy52
Assault weapons are already banned. What the dorky PC Chiefs’ outfit is asking for is most likely an “ugly weapons ban”.

Actually not. The term "Assault Weapon" just means whatever gun the politicians want to ban. Sometimes they are "too big", or shoot "too fast" or "load too easily" or are just "too ugly". The definition of "assault weapon" varies from state to state and ban bill to ban bill.

Assault rifles on the other hand, have a DoD definition: "“short, compact, select-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges". They are machine guns (IE. select fire) which have been tightly controlled (Unconstitutionally of course) since 1934. Assault rifles, and other machine guns, produced after 1986, have been (unconstitutionally) banned for civilian purchase since that year.

The Assault Weapons Ban, the old expired one, or the new one trying to get out committee in Congress, has nothing to do with Assault Rifles.

72 posted on 09/20/2007 7:50:34 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: The_Macallan

Very well said, same goes for our house hold.


73 posted on 09/20/2007 8:22:21 PM PDT by Plains Drifter (If guns kill people, wouldn't there be a lot of dead people at gun shows?)
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To: neverdem

Why do they let these guys out of the Northeast?


74 posted on 09/20/2007 8:35:19 PM PDT by B Knotts (Tancredo '08!)
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To: El Gato
But the Shawn LaBeet guy who pulled the trigger was not. He was an "ineligible person", otherwise he would not have used a fake ID to purchase the weapons.

He used a fake ID or a stolen ID? A fake ID would've been nailed at the point of purchase. A stolen ID probably would have worked. Plus, the cops and the Feds don't really care about stolen IDs. Just look at the millions who use them without fear everyday.

75 posted on 09/20/2007 9:34:10 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: neverdem

What a freaking lizard. Hey, their jobs would be even easier if they didn’t have to take time away from revenue-generation (ahem, I meant, “protecting and serving”) to testify in court — so lets just do away with that pesky presumption of innocence and right to trial by jury, while we’re at it?

I’ve met plenty of good, decent police officers, but these weasels in charge (plus the unionization of the force and the accompanying inability to get rid of bad seeds) is giving the entire profession a bad name.


76 posted on 09/20/2007 9:57:29 PM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: neverdem

Why on Earth would cops want to carry assault rifles? I’d think SMGs would be more the thing as far as escalation goes, unless the perps have started wearing body armor.


77 posted on 09/21/2007 1:39:17 AM PDT by amchugh (large and largely disgruntled)
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To: neverdem
The International Association of Chiefs of Police urged Congress to pass `an effective assault weapons ban.'

International???

The second amendment says otherwise. And besides, I don't see the JBT's leading by example. Drop your arms, Chiefs, before you even think of asking me to drop mine.

78 posted on 09/21/2007 1:42:56 AM PDT by meyer (It's the entitlements, stupid!)
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To: Cobra64
It is already illegal for criminals to own any weapon.

Unless, of course, they wear the badge. Membership has its privileges.

79 posted on 09/21/2007 1:44:40 AM PDT by meyer (It's the entitlements, stupid!)
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To: logician2u

At one time they were. But that was then and this is now.

Those days, for the most part, are long gone.


80 posted on 09/21/2007 2:10:05 AM PDT by sport
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