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[NYC Skool Boss] KLEIN SEES 3 R'S FOR 3-YEAR-OLDS
NY Post ^ | 7/19/7

Posted on 08/19/2007 9:11:39 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker

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To: Alberta's Child

I think there is much more for children to learn, particularly when so many well meaning folk look to add things to the curriculum and remove other stuff from the curriculum.

I have no problem adding stuff, but then you just have to modify the curriculum to eliminate duplication, and then give more classroom time to accommodate the expanded information set.

I’m all for reading, grammar, math, science and all the other good stuff. I am against homework - I think that individual work should be incorporated into the school day.

I also agree that people should be taught economics and practical approaches to issues like assets, liabilities, investment, debt, etc. Too many people reach adulthood and no next to nothing about this very important stuff.


41 posted on 08/19/2007 1:35:44 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: HitmanLV

I wouldn’t give up my 2 hours of long division on Sunday ever. If I had to do it, everyone has to. :^)


42 posted on 08/19/2007 1:38:41 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: eyedigress

Good for you!


43 posted on 08/19/2007 1:39:25 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: Alberta's Child; potlatch
What the NYC chancellor of schools is basically saying here -- though he can never come right out and say it -- is that his schools are filled with young children whose families are so culturally dysfunctional that the childrens' odds of succeeding in life are inversely proportional to the amount of time these kids spend AT HOME.

Precisely so.

Mark my words on this one . . . within a couple of decades, public education in the U.S. is going to resemble the kind of missionary/residential schools that were used in a vain attempt to deal with Native Americans on reservations who were incapable of adapting to a modern social order. Kids will be taken away from their parents -- even against the parents' wills -- at the age of 6-12 months and basically raised by the state with minimal interaction with their own families.

In the early 1900s, there was an orphanage near here. It was on a farm, and all the children had chores on the farm in addition to their schooling. Some of my mother's cousins were raised there, because after their father died their mother couldn't find work to support them. They all turned out very well.

I've frequently thought that some of my students from really disfunctional homes might be much better off raised in such an environment.

44 posted on 08/19/2007 2:34:46 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia; Alberta's Child

We have had an orphanage in my city for as long as I can remember. It now goes by a different name.

The children live in several different homes, each with ‘parent’ caregivers. There was a recent article in our newspaper and the children seem to be happy, well cared for and doing well in school. In this manner, they have formed a close family group.

I’ll never understand why some people think of orphanages as ‘bad’ but placing them in foster homes is ‘good’. There are evil people to be found in every situation.


45 posted on 08/19/2007 2:52:34 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_))
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To: durasell; potlatch

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We enjoyed it completely

And Saturday night any bread was free to all employees in the store as it would be stale by Monday morning

My mother made wonderful bread pudding and we gave neighbors and extra left over from the 8-10 loaves of Merita bread (The Lone Ranger!) I preferred

For some the glass is always at least half full

I guess somebody forgot to tell us we were supposed to be “poor” as most in that small rural and tourist town were


46 posted on 08/19/2007 3:14:02 PM PDT by devolve ( _Google-Illegals_Killed_25_Americans_Each_Day _A_Mex_Illegal_Alien_Sold_911_Terrorists_IDs_)
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To: potlatch

I’ll never understand why some people think of orphanages as ‘bad’ but placing them in foster homes is ‘good’. There are evil people to be found in every situation.


Three reasons:

A) It is generally agreed that a “family setting” is more conducive to health childhood development.

B)Foster homes are generally less expensive than maintaining large facilities. They can also adapt as the need for foster parents expands and contracts.

C)Many children in foster care today have “special needs” because their mothers either drank or did drugs while pregnant.


47 posted on 08/19/2007 3:19:14 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: devolve

Your glass was very full devolve, and all your hard work paid off in knowledge about many different things.


48 posted on 08/19/2007 3:22:15 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_))
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To: eyedigress; potlatch

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Our school had Business Math and a Business course

I skipped those as I figured the teachers were already my customers and I never over or undercharged them

Some teach

Some do

I think much of the same is done by many school kids today

My niece’s daughter in western NC raised and bred and sold show horses and German Shepherds while in HS and still does

Taking photographs of her animals got her a phone call asking if she would do some photography for a professional photographer’s magazine

Success leads to more success

Maybe I should have just watched TV as so many kids do today


49 posted on 08/19/2007 3:25:08 PM PDT by devolve ( _Google-Illegals_Killed_25_Americans_Each_Day _A_Mex_Illegal_Alien_Sold_911_Terrorists_IDs_)
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To: potlatch

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My brother and sister have some great stories too

We lived in great times and in a wonderful area

But I recall people talking on TV about the economy being so bad

Nobody I knew had time to listen to that - We were to busy enjoying family, friends, school, work, sports, our horses, and some of the great beef we raised to sell too!

And of course - the beach


50 posted on 08/19/2007 3:31:19 PM PDT by devolve ( _Google-Illegals_Killed_25_Americans_Each_Day _A_Mex_Illegal_Alien_Sold_911_Terrorists_IDs_)
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To: devolve

[We lived in great times]

That said it all right there!

The ‘beach’ was an ‘extra’, lol


51 posted on 08/19/2007 3:36:46 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_))
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To: devolve; durasell

Our orphanage IS family type setting. I have read of too many bad things happening to children in Foster Care.

Many times they are just taken in for the money it brings and the children are neglected.

Just look at the recent story of all those children kept prisoners, half starved and never sent to school. Sorry, my swiss cheese mind can’t recall the details right now.


52 posted on 08/19/2007 3:42:47 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_))
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To: potlatch

Yeah, there are flaws in both systems. However, the vast majority of people who are foster parents are good people. There are also those who have years of experience taking care of “damaged” kids.


53 posted on 08/19/2007 3:49:16 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

I agree with your statement. Yes, there are flaws in everything, good people are what makes the difference.


54 posted on 08/19/2007 3:54:05 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_))
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To: potlatch

Good people are often difficult to find. However, I did know one woman who was a foster parent who only took in kids who had been victims of sexual or physical abuse. You would think that “all they needed was love,” but it took a very, very specific skill set to bring them back even halfway.


55 posted on 08/19/2007 3:56:42 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: devolve; durasell

[Good people are often difficult to find]

That’s such a sad statement, isn’t it?

I just read a book about a victim of sexual abuse and all the years it took to overcome it and be happy again. Some never can.

The world is full of good and bad and it will never change.


56 posted on 08/19/2007 4:03:11 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_))
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To: potlatch

The world is what it is, if we’re lucky we get to leave it just a little better than we found it.


57 posted on 08/19/2007 4:30:23 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

Bump to that durasell!!


58 posted on 08/19/2007 4:35:55 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_‹(•¿•)›_ooo_))
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To: potlatch

THREE years old?
In public school?

I can see if a parent has a child who would benefit from early education.
My own daughter absolutely needed it.
However, many aren’t ready yet.

This is like the old Soviet system was.


59 posted on 08/19/2007 10:10:07 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: HitmanLV; DaveLoneRanger
Seems to me school starts at a good age
If you don't want school regimentation of the children to start earlier, the question would seem to be, why should school regimentation of the children start at age 6? In this day and age, why shouldn't there be a home appliance that does all the teaching that parents can't do? Why shouldn't an Internet school be adequate to that task? Perhaps with hyperlinking, students and parents nationwide (and even globally) could construct such rich educational software that education becomes much easier and standards could escalate.

Takes too much time from the parents? Perhaps many parents want to give that time. Perhaps the time required to do it is a small fraction of the school day. Perhaps heterogeneous ages learn better than homogeneous ones, with the younger ones picking up on what their older siblings are learning, and older ones being reminded of the basics and learning self respect from being valued as role models for the younger ones. Perhaps home "schooling" your kids teaches parents so much that more total education occurs in homeschooling than in regimented schooling.

Doesn't the question of when schooling should start open up the question of when, where, and how children should be taught - yes, and why and what, and by whom?


60 posted on 08/20/2007 6:48:43 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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