Red faces at NASA over climate-change blunder

Toronto Star ^ | 8/14/07 | DANIEL DALE

[cogitator]

Thanks, I should have kept reading. For fun, stick the Baltimore coordinates into Google maps, zoom in, and then switch to the satellite view.

[Moonman62]

How is oil formed? I understand it is by dead plants and animals and pressure.

Oil mainly comes from dead single cell plants in the oceans. Coal is made of land plants. Animals make almost none of either. The oil from dinosaurs thing was a marketing gimmick.

[ricks_place]

Download the file here, add the extension ".klm", open it with google earth, and view all the stations by state!

[Condor51]

*** Am I missing something? ***

Yes - Pangaea

Millions and millions of years ago there was only one Continent ('supercontinent'). The North pole wasn't at the North Pole, ditto the South Pole. Then it broke up and the continents drifted apart.

Google Pangaea and Plate Tectonics. You'll find maps at the various stages of the drift with approximate time lines.

[theBuckwheat]

This is simple experiment design, and quality control principles. As a matter of fact, I would love to see what the Royal Statistical Society or the American Society for Quality Control would have to say about attempting to use this dataset, once the facts as we know them now are laid out.

I just shudder to think that we have people who hold far more in the way of credentials than do I, taking this data seriously, and scolding us for doubting their results.

We could ask a whole series of questions about the thermometers themselves, and I would venture that few of the answers will move us to having more confidence in the data and more of the answers will add to the doubt we already have.

But most important, will any researcher at some distant university who is attempting to study the raw dataset, also have access to the calibration logs, or even when the instrumentation hut was changed, moved, repainted, repaved, rebuilt, or any other of the many events that can introduce bias? I doubt it, and based on how rabid some of these people are, I doubt that some even care.

[Liberty Valance]

Marcus Aurelius: “The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.”

Great quote. ;o)

[Renfield]

LOL!!

John Kerry is the cartoonist’s/wag’s/satirist’s dream. As much as I detest him, I must admit that he has given me much pleasant diversion and mirth.

[justa-hairyape]

I wonder if the decomissioning of RURAL sites in favor of URBAN sites will affect temperatures.

It would bias the data by magnifying the relevance of any 'heat island' effect.

One really has to be concerned about bias with respect to any large amount of collected data. For example, long term temperature readings of deep ocean water will be affected more by solar radiation input and the release of internal heat from the earth. Terrestrial temperature readings will be affected more by atmospheric effects and the effects of man made 'heat islands' (city-states).

[dennisw]

Steve McIntyre is too modest here. What I read is that NASA wouldn't help him out with any raw source data. Steve had to reverse engineer what NASA put out to figure out what the error/scam was---->>>>

 

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[dennisw]

I wonder if the decomissioning of RURAL sites in favor of URBAN sites will affect temperatures.

It would bias the data by magnifying the relevance of any 'heat island' effect.

Plus these lazybones/fraudsters have many climate monitoring station on or near hot asphalt and air conditioner exhausts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1880214/posts

 

[4Liberty]

Good enough for gov work.

[Colorado Doug]

Why is NASA even messing with this sort of thing in the first place. They need to focus on trying to get to space, perhaps even catch up to where they were 40 years ago. They need to hire rocket scientists and build rockets and leave the weather to meteorologists at the National Weather Service. They have become just another bloated agency that is too PC to function.

[roamer_1]

It would bias the data by magnifying the relevance of any 'heat island' effect.

I would also submit that while the addition of many new station sites over the years can be hawked as more refinement (more data = more refinement when calculating an average), I would wonder if the assignment of those new collection stations is evenly distributed-

If the added stations were more likely to be distributed in the south and southwest (or toward the equator in the case of the global system), the additional data would tend to skew rather than refine the result.

-Bruce

[Rb ver. 2.0]

[Rb ver. 2.0]

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[ricks_place]

I reviewed the 17 Maryland weather stations. 7 stopped reporting in the 1990s and 2 stopped reporting in the 2000s. 5 stations are encroached by development. Leaving three stations with possibly consistent data. No Maryland stations were added since the 1970s. Analysis and conclusions from this data are hopelessly flawed.

[roamer_1]

Analysis and conclusions from this data are hopelessly flawed.

To further my point, I wonder how many reporting stations are offsetting Maine's stations? How many stations are reporting from Florida as an example? How many stations in Montana as compared to Arizona? If the Northern Tier States are under represented, that would surely throw the whole thing off by a mile.

I am not yet ready to assume a conspiracy, but if this bungling attempt at data collection (as rep'd here and on other threads) represents the norm in American science, then it brings one to question their findings in all subjects across the board.

-Bruce

[longtermmemmory]

WHERE
ARE
THE
CONGRESSIONAL
HEARINGS
ON
THIS
FRAUD
AND
COVER UP
AND
CONCEALMENT?!






This is a coverup of
manipulated data AND misplacement of thermometers.
DOUBLE DECEPTION AND A COVERUP!

[ricks_place]

The Global Warming wardens have bet upon the global temperature rise. That global temperature rise is based on data from many sources with the US data touted as one of the best; meaning other sources have even lower quality. The weather monitoring stations were never intended to “save the world” but to estimate the local temperature and rainfall. The distribution of station have nothing to do with a global statistical analysis and everything to do with local agriculture. A conspiracy of data collection siting is unneccessary; the sensors are deeply flawed and wrongly distributed because they were created for a different purpose. Clearly, the Global Warming consensus has a tenuous hold upon the levers of power and it is unlikely that its devotees will long command the blood, sweat, and treasures of the United States and the rest of the world's nations.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Oh shitte....

So NASA is claiming half the data stations are active (data is good somehow?), but the station itself is shutdown?

NO wonder surface temperatures are not tracking mid-atmosphere temperatures.