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Red faces at NASA over climate-change blunder
Toronto Star ^ | 8/14/07 | DANIEL DALE

Posted on 08/14/2007 9:34:47 AM PDT by ricks_place

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To: Cyber Liberty

That and precipitation.


21 posted on 08/14/2007 10:46:11 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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To: hophead
How is oil formed? I understand it is by dead plants and animals and pressure.

This is not necessarily true. At one time, fossils were discovered adjacent to coal deposits, which gave us the misnomer "fossil fuels." However, it has been observed that some abandoned oil fields have refilled. Some speculate that the heat and pressure within the earth's crust is capable of reforming inorganic carbon into hydrocarbons.

22 posted on 08/14/2007 10:48:23 AM PDT by kidd
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To: ricks_place

Bumpity bump, thanks for the information. Good digging.


23 posted on 08/14/2007 10:51:12 AM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: ricks_place
This article makes it sound as if McIntyre is not all that concerned with the temperature data. Nothing could be further from the truth. He deeply distrusts the fact that the NASA scientists refuse to release the method in which they have corrected some of their temperature measurements. In fact, he has strong suspicions that they’ve “corrected” data that didn’t need correcting.
24 posted on 08/14/2007 10:51:50 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Secret Agent Man

One would think “precipitation” would be the first item in any “climate” model?


25 posted on 08/14/2007 10:55:38 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Did Dennis Kucinich always look like that or did he have to submit to a series of shots? [firehat])
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To: Cyber Liberty

The U.S. Historical Climatology Network 1,239 stations measure precipitation and temperature. In Maryland, 7 of the 17 stations stopped operating in the 1990s and 2 of 17 stopped operating in the early 2000s.


26 posted on 08/14/2007 11:10:25 AM PDT by ricks_place
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To: AnAmericanMother; ricks_place

Reacting yesterday to word that certain European governments and officials are suddenly trying to abandon their costly “global warming” policies, Royal Astronomical Society fellow Benny Peiser, of the science faculty at Liverpool John Moores University in Great Britain, recalls the teachings of the Roman emperor/philosopher Marcus Aurelius: “The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.”

Just keep on telling the truth.


27 posted on 08/14/2007 11:11:37 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Whoever said anybody has a right to give up? -- Helen Keller)
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To: dead

A long face at NASA.

28 posted on 08/14/2007 11:12:14 AM PDT by SuperSonic (Bush "lied", people dyed.......their fingers purple.)
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To: ricks_place

The histrionics were on high this morning on CNN when they were talking about the U.S. sending up Coast Guard and scientists to scout the Arctic Ocean to see if the U.S. has any rights to land up there after Russia went up there and planted their flag.

What does this have to do with this thread?

CNN says the Arctic Ocean will melt by 2050 and the U.S. wants to get in there now and grab as much oil as possible.

YIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIKES. LOL


29 posted on 08/14/2007 11:42:37 AM PDT by My Favorite Headache (No One Gets To Their Heaven Without A Fight)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Congress would never allow oil exploration in the pristine Arctic Ocean /sarc.


30 posted on 08/14/2007 11:55:48 AM PDT by ricks_place
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To: hophead
Am I missing something?

No. Of course not. Did you hear John F Kennedy was assassinated?

31 posted on 08/14/2007 11:59:07 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: kidd

That is a fringe theory, definitely not a valid one among the GW acolyte crowd, which the previous poster is addressing.


32 posted on 08/14/2007 12:17:43 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: ricks_place
I found this interesting little tidbit...

Of course, the current NASA changes are only for data collected in the United States. But available surface temperature readings cover only half the planet even today. Before the Second World War, they covered less than a quarter. So U.S. readings for a period that goes as far back as 1880 are among the most reliable there are.

From this article:

Global warming? Look at the numbers

33 posted on 08/14/2007 12:30:29 PM PDT by SuperSonic (Bush "lied", people dyed.......their fingers purple.)
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To: ricks_place
I found more than half the claimed source data sites in Maryland for the NASA tempurature monitor analysis, have been decommissioned for years!

Well now, this inconvenient truth is gonna have ALGORE digging out his slide rule again.

34 posted on 08/14/2007 12:35:51 PM PDT by Diver Dave
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To: ricks_place
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But the revisions have been seized on by conservative Americans, including firebrand radio host Rush Limbaugh, as evidence that climate change science is unsound.
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Within the last few days someone on FR kindly posted the link to the NIST document on thermometer calibration standards. There it is, in simple terms that any high school math or chemistry class student can understand: PLUS/MINUS 1 DEGREE F.

You cannot get more accuracy out of a system than the system already has. You cannot get data to the 1/10th of a degree from PLUS/MINUS 1 DEGREE equipment, especially when there are no controls on station siting.

One station I am familiar with, at the Columbia Regional Airport (KCOU) located the instrument hutch on the grass a few yards to the southwest of where two large, black asphalt ramp areas met. A reading taken when the wind was blowing from the SW would be representative of actual conditions. One taken when the wind was from the NE would have the air moving over hundreds of yards of asphalt before hitting the thermometer.

To say this instrumentation and the readings from them are “unsound” is a quaint understatement based on the photos of hutch locations posted recently.

All this does not negate any sound science, but in my opinion, the amount of sound science we can rest upon in trying to understand climate change is FAR LESS today than it was when the MSM started to slam people who deny Global Warming.

Given what we know now, any “science” based on the readings of thermometers located in hutches next to airport ramp areas and behind air conditioners in parking lots would not even pass the judges at a high school science fair, let alone be worthy of any government grants.

35 posted on 08/14/2007 12:40:46 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: ricks_place

I wonder if the decomissioning of RURAL sites in favor of URBAN sites will affect temperatures.

(perhaps all the death vally thermometers are still active)


36 posted on 08/14/2007 1:08:06 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: dirtboy

How fast do plates move? I think the current leader is the one smashing into Southern Asia at about 7cm a year.


37 posted on 08/14/2007 1:18:26 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: RightWhale

BUMP!


38 posted on 08/14/2007 1:28:06 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: ricks_place
From SurfaceStations.org Maryland USHCN stations

which ones are decommissioned? The closest one to me is Westminster; I was thinking about going out there to take pictures of it.

39 posted on 08/14/2007 1:39:09 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: theBuckwheat
You cannot get more accuracy out of a system than the system already has. You cannot get data to the 1/10th of a degree from PLUS/MINUS 1 DEGREE equipment, especially when there are no controls on station siting.

Yes! I'm glad to see someone saying this.

40 posted on 08/14/2007 1:41:25 PM PDT by knuthom
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