Posted on 08/12/2007 4:45:55 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
I phrased this the way I did and will let it stand as written because the DEA was responsible for the whole fiasco. It was, in fact, conducted by the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department. The ranch is in Ventura County, but the only road into it is in Los Angeles County. There were 30 people involved. 13 from LA Sheriff – 5 from LA police– 3 from Nat’l Guard– 3 from Nat’l Park Service – 2 from U.S. Forest Service– 2 from CA Narcotics and 2 from DEA. Ventura County District Attorney conducted a postmortem investigation and concluded that the whole thing happened because the DEA was either grossly mistaken or outright lying about the “facts” that became the probable cause for the warrant and that the LA police were “probably” motivated by anticipating seizure of the ranch, valued in millions of dollars. Another gross discrepancy is in the shooting itself. Scott had a gun in his hand, but was holding it around the cylinder rather than by the butt. He was told to drop it. The shooting officer, who was crouching with one knee on the floor, stated Scott moved his hand on the gun into a shooting position and aimed it at him. However, the coroner reported that the fatal bullet traveled downward at a 35 degree angle, consistent with a man bending over to put a gun on the floor. The report from the Ventura District Attorney came just one step short of accusing the shooter of murder, failing to do so only because there were no witnesses who could contradict the shooter’s testimony and added an obviously tongue in cheek observation that perhaps the coroner was mistaken.
Everyone has the right to try to get new amendments. However, in order to do so, one has to have at least three fourths of the State Legislatures in agreement that they want it. After all, that’s the only thing that can get an amendment ratified. The other factor that has to be handled is to be able to do it in such a way that Congress will be best served to afford it’s cooperation. We have both of those factors going for us. Therefore, we do believe we will succeed and as far a S slippery slope is concerned, I don’t know of any question that will have the kind of support we have. Doesn’t mean someone won’t come up with one that will work. It can always happen, but what we do will not be setting a pattern to be followed.
The Rangers
I see. But you realize once they accomplished that, then the FBI would be in there slaughtering them and everyone else with them. You can’t win. All you can do is go down fighting.
Thank you for your additional comments, Mr. Saunders. :)
a real american cowboy would have taken his rope back...
teeman
I meant it figuratively not literally, I too have on retainer the Law Firm of Nasty, Brutish and Short, I also have family in the Drive-By media.
Hmmm, are you in the mafia?
I’m one of those white folks whose family is nearly died out. I got family in the old folks home, and family up on boot hill, a huge collection of family photos and a pile of old family bibles...not much more than that.
My family members are Closet Conservatives.
You mean like the slippery slope that started after the 21st amendment repealed the 18th amendment?
-PJ
Hell must be ruled by democrats.. nobody can assault logic like a democrat..
Of course when I say no inbetween I meant from the viewpoint of 1940s communists. Those communists did not believe in gay marriage, abortion, feminism, eviron-whackos, illegal immigration, porn, exporting jobs, globalization, nafta, affirmative action, hate crimes, political correctness, pacifism, etc....
H3ll, my communist relatives were more conservative than most of today’s self proclaimed staunch conservatives.
In fact, we’re doing our best to keep the “well known” people out of it simply because every one of them are carrying political baggage of some kind that could be a poison pill for us, because the only way it is going to work is to keep it squeaky clean non-partisan.
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FR is not squeeky clean non-partisan. Why start here?
Individual's contributors are not known to the State Legislatures, but if I had someone like. .. oh,....say Newt Gingrich out front, known, there would be someone in each Legislature who would use it to try to kill the effort.
I see.
Separate we are unknowns, but together we are FR. FR is known though, and even some right leaning people bash FR (ie O’reilly) and others cite FR as references occasionally. I suppose your contributors, however, won’t be individually labeled as FR or non FR. So maybe it is a moot point. As you can tell by now, I am curious about ROAR. I was wondering if you have anymore info on the 15 items that begat this thread...a place I could go to check sources perhaps? I’ve tried to find a website for your movement(if I may call it that), but I came up short. I’ve emailed your 15 points to friends and relatives and I’m getting questions I can’t answer. I’ve stirred up some people and they got interested, then guarded and suspicious. I must admit I was initially merely mildly amused by your 15 points, but now responses to my emails have caused me to think harder.
A link to my temporary web page is at the beginning of the post. The bright red ROAR. That’s only temporary. It will be a couple of more weeks before we get a permanent one up.
No 2, 3 & 4 came from memory of the event.
The rest are the result of hundreds, if not thousands of cases revealed by various google searches.
If you are not afraid of being overwhelmed with anger at your government, do the following searches and then follow links in the pages it reveals. I don’t have an actual count, but I’ll bet the number of innocent people shot and killed by police in bogus drug raids exceeds our dead in Iraq. The ones I listed truly are the Tip of the Iceberg.
Donald Scott – No 15 which I am going to rewrite to reflect the actual offending agencies.
Billy Munnerlyn – No 13
EPA Abuses
DEA Abuses
Fish & Wildlife Abuses
Clean Air Act
Clean Water Act
Shattered Dreams
Rainbow Ranch.
One search I forgot to mention in the prior reply.
Asset Seizure, DEA
it was much worse than that, Our DA in Ventura charged all 4 officers with 1st degree murder, but was forced to withdraw the charges by the Governor and Attorney General.
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