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To: Osage Orange
Since you dont' like my understanding

Do you believe that Christ and Satan are brothers???

This seems to be one of the most popular charges in modern anti-Mormon literature.

Though Christ is the creator of this earth and our one and only Savior and is the Only Begotten of the Father in the flesh, He shares something with us in that we are all spirit sons and daughters of God (Heb. 12:9; Acts 17:28; Numbers 16:22) as is Christ (see also Hebrews 1:5,6; Heb. 2:9-12; Matt. 12:50; Col. 1:15; Psalms 89:27; Romans 8:29; Rev. 3:14). Christ differs from us in that He alone was perfect, serving as was Co-creator with God and as Savior of all mankind (all who will accept Him). Yes, technically, Satan is the brother of Christ, but so are all of us and all the angels, both good and fallen. But anti-Mormons want to make this doctrine sound scary by leaving out the information that would explain our position, and suggesting that somehow we worship a false "Mormon" Christ who is like Satan. Ugh!

It's a Biblical doctrine that Satan was in heaven originally but fell from heaven. Here is an excerpt from the article "Satan" in Smith's Bible Dictionary:

Of the nature and original state of Satan, little is revealed in Scripture. He is spoken of as a "spirit" in Ephesians 2:2; as the prince or ruler of the "demons" in Matthew 12:24-26; and as having "angels" subject to him in Matthew 25:41; Revelation 12:7, 9; The whole description of his power implies spiritual nature and spiritual influence. We conclude therefore that he was of angelic nature, a rational and spiritual creature, superhuman in power, wisdom and energy; and not only so, but an archangel, one of the "princes" of heaven. We cannot, of course, conceive that anything essentially and originally evil was created by God. We can only conjecture, therefore, that Satan is a fallen angel, who once had a time of probation, but whose condemnation is now irrevocably fixed. As to the time cause and manner of his fall Scripture tells us scarcely anything; but it describes to us distinctly the moral nature of the evil one.

As for our common heritage with Christ as sons of God, the teachings of the Bible are clear. In Romans 8:14-18, I see Paul saying that our divine heritage from God is what makes it possible for humans to become "joint heirs with Christ." Though we may be potential "joint heirs," Christ is always and eternally our Savior.

Latter-day Saints also believe that Satan was a spirit being in the premortal existence that we all shared, who, as Revelation 12:7-9 describes, rebelled against God and was cast down to earth, with those angels (spirits) who followed Satan (see also Jude 1:6, 2 Peter 2:4). Lucifer (Satan) was in heaven and was "a son of the morning" (Isaiah 14: 12-15) who sought to usurp God's glory and throne, rather than follow God's will (see also Job 1:6, where Satan comes into an assembly among the sons of God - these sons of God, premortal spirit children, existed before the creation of the earth was completed, according to Job 38: 4-7).

Just as we see the potential for great goodness and great evil in humans around us, so has there always been such potential among the spirit children (Heb. 12:9) of God who are blessed with liberty to choose God and Christ or to choose evil. Satan chose the greatest evil possible and still works toward that end. That he was in heaven and was a "son of the morning" among the spirit beings there ("morning stars" in Job 38:7) makes his fall and his guilt and his eternal punishment all the more terrible. But our understanding of who Satan was and is - a fallen angel, by choice a total and complete enemy to God and Christ - does not make us unchristian, in my opinion. Nor does it give us any respect for that abominable being!

Simply saying that "Mormons think Christ and Satan are brothers" is a distortion of LDS doctrine - it is deliberately misleading. We see all of humanity and all of the angels - fallen as well as divine - as creations of God, spirit sons and daughters, given freedom to choose good (through Christ) or evil. Christ is obviously a Son of God, though much more completely than we are. He is also our Savior and even our Eternal Father in several ways. Our common relationship to those who are Good and those who are truly evil in no way impugns the Good or blasphemes God and Christ.

Obviously, Latter-day Saint doctrine is not derived from the popular teachings of mainstream churches, but I see it as being in harmony with the Bible, though others are free to interpret the Bible differently. But I hope you won't mistake differences in interpretation with a rejection of Christ, to whom I look for salvation.

242 posted on 07/30/2007 7:56:37 AM PDT by restornu (Romney keeps his eyes on the mission, and not on those who attacks his campaign!)
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To: colorcountry

I’ve run out of anti-nausea meds to take when the Mormonism apologetics spinning heats up. How do you manage to prevent dizziness from the incessant Mormonism spinning?


244 posted on 07/30/2007 8:03:04 AM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: restornu

I doubt anyone really cares about that segment of belief. The LDS church has other beliefs that are so far-fetched, non-Mormons don’t believe they are actually beliefs of the Mormon Church.

It mentioned Proxy Baptism (Baptism of the Dead) to one of my Sunday School classes during a discussion on 1 Cor and the other teacher thought I made it up. But you are not alone. Prosperity Gospel is junk and it is VERY popular in churches today.


245 posted on 07/30/2007 8:06:13 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: restornu
Yes or no.

According to you..is Satan your/my brother?

246 posted on 07/30/2007 8:10:37 AM PDT by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: restornu
Here is the context of the passage you quote from Hebrews to contribute to the backup or the Mormon claim that all beings (human and angels) are "spirit children" of God, the Father......including Jesus Christ and Satan.

The point of that passage is that God disciplines his sons, as human fathers discipline their children. Notice that not all human beings are considered God's sons in this passage which is specifically addressed to believers in Jesus Christ. Notice also that Satan is nowhere mentioned and is certainly not considered to be one of the "sons of God" included in this passage.

God Disciplines His Sons

1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us. 2 Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 Consider him who endured such opposition from sinful men, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.

4 In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. 5 And you have forgotten that word of encouragement that addresses you as sons:

"My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline,
and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
6 because the Lord disciplines those he loves,
and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son."

7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father? 8 If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline), then you are illegitimate children and not true sons.
9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live! 10 Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness. 11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.

12 Therefore, strengthen your feeble arms and weak knees. 13 "Make level paths for your feet," so that the lame may not be disabled, but rather healed.

The point of the passage concerns suffering that we go through even as children of God, even as believers in Jesus Christ, and how even that suffering God can use for our benefit if we accept such suffering with that concept of our Father disciplining us as his Sons.

However, we are not God's sons before creation - all of the New Testament says we are "adopted" into God's family through the death on the cross of our Savior the Lord Jesus Christ. IN HIM, we belong to God, through His redemption of our sinful selves. We have been purchased out of slavery to sin and to Satan through the inestimable sacrifice of Jesus on that awful cross.

Yet not all receive this great gift and calling, and not all are sons and daughters of God. And NOWHERE is Satan mentioned as our brother, as Jesus' brother, or as God's "son".

271 posted on 07/31/2007 3:47:26 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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