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To: -YYZ-; Alamo-Girl; spirited irish; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; stuartcr; kosta50
The Islamist terrorists that we are fighting today are creationists - does that mean creationism is responsible for their murderous creed?

Why on earth do you suppose the Islamofascists are "creationists?" Where is your evidence for this?

It seems you regard "creationist" and "creationism" as terms of opprobrium that can be applied willy-nilly to people you dislike. For the record, the creator God of the creationists, and the "god" called Allah, are virtually polar opposites. The former is a God of love, life, light, human flourishing and human freedom; the latter, a god of vengeance who demands nothing from human beings but submission to his murderous, bloody-minded will. Man must surrender his freedom to be in good graces with this ersatz god.

The so-called "religion of peace" espouses the same kind of "peace" that the former Soviet Union did, as denoted by the Russian word, mir: Peace is defined as what follows from the utter subjection or annihilation of all "enemies." As long as there are "enemies," there can be no peace.

132 posted on 06/22/2007 8:50:58 AM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein)
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To: -YYZ-; Alamo-Girl; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; stuartcr; kosta50; betty boop

In expansion of your argument, betty, not only is our Creator all of those things withwhich you pointed out, but He created this world for those whom He made in His image. Therefore, mankind is the apex of the universe and endowed with God-given rights.

Evolutionary Humanism (naturalism)is not only antithetical to all of this, but downright hostile. For just as pre-Biblical pagans believed that man was created by the creation and must therefore live in submission to it, so too does todays neo-pagan Evolutionary Humanism conform to this belief. Seen in the context of history, the communist project is simply a way of forcing man-—who is viewed as an aggressive parasite-— to live in submission and correct conformity to his ‘creator.’ Within this worldview,population control in its many manifestations such as abortion, infanticide, euthanasia, etc., are viewed as morally correct things to do.


133 posted on 06/22/2007 9:14:55 AM PDT by spirited irish
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To: betty boop

Didn’t God create Muslims? Knowing how they were going to worship and what they were going to do? Likewise for Christians, Hindus and all others? Doesn’t God know why, when and where or even if, His creations are going to peaceful or not?


134 posted on 06/22/2007 9:25:01 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: betty boop
For the record, the creator God of the creationists, and the "god" called Allah, are virtually polar opposites.

While the diety inivolved may not be the same, the belief that He created man as he is today, as opposed to the idea that he is the product of a process of evolution is that same. Objectively, Islamic beliefs fit that description. We can arbitrarily declare that only Christians can properly be considered creationist, but that's a tacit admission that we have no intention of having or allowing objectivity in the debate.

135 posted on 06/22/2007 9:31:34 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: betty boop
Why on earth do you suppose the Islamofascists are "creationists?"

Because they believe their god made the universe in a miraculous fashion.

the latter, a god of vengeance who demands nothing from human beings but submission to his murderous, bloody-minded will. Man must surrender his freedom to be in good graces with this ersatz god.

Gee, it sounds almost Old Testament!

136 posted on 06/22/2007 9:32:53 AM PDT by ahayes ("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
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To: betty boop; -YYZ-
Why on earth do you suppose the Islamofascists are "creationists?"

You're kidding, right?

141 posted on 06/22/2007 10:18:29 AM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: betty boop
Why on earth do you suppose the Islamofascists are "creationists?" Where is your evidence for this?

I don't have personal knowledge of the beliefs of any particular Islamofacists, but I assume they would mirror the teachings of Islamic scholars. There are dozens of Islamic websites devoted to creationism. I am not aware of a single Islamic teacher who argues for evolution or for the legitimacy of science as a way of acquiring knowledge. If you are interested in the subject you could start here.

144 posted on 06/22/2007 10:28:30 AM PDT by js1138
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