Hindu Mob in India Beats, Strips, Parades Pastor

spcm.org ^ | June 12 , 2007 | Vishal Arora

[Aquinasfan]

I’ve always pictured the Indian government as a kind of Mexican socialism. How far off am I?

[Gengis Khan]

I have always wondered why all such “persecution” stories appear only in some obscure “Christian” sites and never corroborated by any other mainstream news sites?

And some of their stories sound less credible then even commie propaganda.

[dfwgator]

National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) Christians, in various attacks on villages, killed quite a few Hindus

And the only people they hate more than Hindus is the bloody Tripuran National Liberation Front. Splitters!

[Maneesh]

“Explain.

It seems that “secularist” Indians would swallow anything rather than be seen as politically incorrect”

Indians are secular in the sense that they accept all religions. They are not atheist or agnostic like Europe is. Religion plays a very important role in people’s lives.

India is actually a lot less politically correct than the West. You can say what you want and there is no desire to seen as PC that consumes the West. In a nation of 1 billion people there are of course fringe elements but in that part of the world, other than Israel it is the only functioning democracy with a growing economy and a high degree of freedom even for Muslims.

The constitution of India does say it is secular so as not to establish a state religion (not unlike the US constitution) but the nation is not a godless waste land like Europe is.

India, Israel and the USA are natural allies as we are the Infidels and the top 3 obstacles to the worldwide rule of ISLAM.

[Maneesh]

“I’ve always pictured the Indian government as a kind of Mexican socialism. How far off am I?”

You are way off base. India is a thriving democracy with a far more educated population, much better work ethic and world class accomplishments. Although India did follow a socialist model for decades, since the 1990’s there has been huge privatization and there is now a pro-business, pro-growth environment.

There is still too much govt red tape, corruption and it is by no means a first world country but it is leaps and bounds better than Mexico in any measurable way. India is poised to be in the top 3 GDP nations of the world by 2050.

Mexico is a rotting hell hole that has outsourced their poverty to us and 100 families essentially run the nation.

[Gengis Khan]

“A local source, however, told Compass on condition of anonymity that the attack was pre-planned and directed by an unidentified lawyer. The lawyer suggested to the crowd that if they hit the pastor as a mob, then there would be no possibility of prosecution, said the source. “

“Local source”? That sounds like a weasel word.

[Maneesh]

“a positive feeling for the US among the overwhelming majority of Indians”

India is the most pro-American country in the world, more than Canada, UK and Australia.

Heck it’s more pro-American than Massachusetts where I live.

[Gengis Khan]

“In a nation of 1 billion people there are of course fringe elements ......”

Yes there are such similar “fringe elements” from every religion (that includes both Christianity and Hinduism). Just that the “fringe elements” in Hinduism isnt half as bad as those from other religion.

[Maneesh]

“Of course, neither of these other religions offers any positive hope of being in eternal fellowship with the One who created us, or even the existence of a God who loves us. That hope is only found in Jesus.”

I was waiting for this to come up. I am the pro-Christian person that is not a practising Christian. I have great admiration for what Christianity has done for the world and most of my friends are devout Christians and I have learnt a lot from the Bible.

The one issue I have is with the belief that “My god is the only god” and if you follow some other religion then you must be weird and your god cannot be a loving god. With that logic billions of people in the world will just go to hell and all of them are not good god fearing people. That is simply absurd, especially because people making this statement have no idea of what Hinduism teaches. You can be a devout Christian and even spread your faith peacefully but why trash all other religions in the process.

This same mindset magnified many times and added with violence produces the Taliban. I am NOT equating Christianity with ISLAM because clealry Christianity has been a force for good and has blessed the West whereas ISLAM only kills and maims.

[ARridgerunner]

Please explain why you believe the RSS is a dangerous fringe element.

India is actually a lot less politically correct than the West.

India's press is far worse than America's.

[Gengis Khan]

“Although it may not be as rooted in pure violence and evil as Islam, Hinduism definitely has its facets of weirdness, freakiness and violence. Ever hear of their goddess Kali? A real sweetheart... /s”

So better pray to a White God then a Black God eh?

[CarrotAndStick]

Hinduism definitely has its facets of weirdness, freakiness and violence.

You mean, like those people who ordered the Inquisition, drove away the Jews, many of them to India, where they were again persecuted by the said people when they opened colonies there, and the same people who parade and kiss dead bodies, jars of preserved blood and grotesque things of the like, as religious paraphernalia?

Please go on!

[Gengis Khan]

Actually there are all kinds in India, the best ones are better then those in US, the worst are often worse. The articles from Compass is on the other side of the continuum, the side on the opposite end of the good ones. They dont even make an attempt to conceal their bias, something which Western press has turned into an art.

[epow]

The other huge difference is that acts like this have no validation at all from Hinduism.

That may be true, and since you are a former resident or citizen of India I suppose you are correct in so far as you know the current situation over there. But since my conflicting information comes from a source that I believe to be scrupulously honest and truthful, I have to believe that perhaps the situation over there has changed since you lived there.

I am not saying that violence against Christian converts is anywhere near to being as common and widespread in India as it is in some Islamic nations, but I do believe it occurs all to often in certain areas of India for a modern day civilized nation such as India to tolerate.

[Gengis Khan]

In other words, your freaks are freakier then ours. LOL.

Good riposte Carrot Top!

[CarrotAndStick]

Of course, neither of these other religions offers any positive hope of being in eternal fellowship with the One who created us, or even the existence of a God who loves us. That hope is only found in Jesus.

Yet these great makings, Prince! involve Me not,
Enchain Me not! I sit apart from them,
Other, and Higher, and Free; nowise attached!
Thus doth the stuff of worlds, moulded by Me,
Bring forth all that which is, moving or still,	40
Living or lifeless! Thus the worlds go on!
The minds untaught mistake Me, veiled in form;—
Naught see they of My secret Presence, nought
Of My hid Nature, ruling all which lives.
Vain hopes pursuing, vain deeds doing; fed	45
On vainest knowledge, senselessly they seek
An evil way, the way of brutes and fiends.
But My Mahatmas, those of noble soul
Who tread the path celestial, worship Me
With hearts unwandering,—knowing Me the Source,	50
Th’ Eternal Source, of Life. Unendingly
They glorify Me; seek Me; keep their vows
Of reverence and love, with changeless faith
Adoring Me. Yea, and those too adore,
Who, offering sacrifice of wakened hearts,	55
Have sense of one pervading Spirit’s stress,
One Force in every place, though manifold!
I am the Sacrifice! I am the Prayer!
I am the Funeral-Cake set for the dead!
I am the healing herb! I am the ghee,	60
The Mantra, and the flame, and that which burns!
I am—of all this boundless Universe—
The Father, Mother, Ancestor, and Guard!
The end of Learning! That which purifies
In lustral water! I am OM! I am	65
Rig-Veda, Sama-Veda, Yajur-Ved;
The Way, the Fosterer, the Lord, the Judge,
The Witness; the Abode, the Refuge-House,
The Friend, the Fountain and the Sea of Life
Which sends, and swallows up; Treasure of Worlds	70
And Treasure-Chamber! Seed and Seed-Sower,
Whence endless harvests spring! Sun’s heat is mine;
Heaven’s rain is mine to grant or to withhold;
Death am I, and Immortal Life I am,
Arjuna! SAT and ASAT, Visible Life,	75
And Life Invisible!
Chapter IX. of the Bhagavad-Gîtâ.

[Gengis Khan]

Jesse Jackson? I dunno him.

Me no Baptist leftist. I belong to that religion of Kali ...my sweetheart ;)...... and love to revel in all the “freakiness” and “weirdness”.

[oblomov]

More like the socialism of Brazil- somewhat more utopian and well-intentioned than that of Mexico, but even more socialistic than China is today. Cf. Chandigarh with Brasilia.

There is still not controvertibility between the Rupee and the US Dollar, and many enterprises are still state-owned. However, the material progress of the last decade has happened because of trade and markets, and the government there knows this, so a further opening of the economy is inevitable.