[stainlessbanner]

Nobody is defending slave owners, slavery, bondage, etc. My disagreement with LS started with calling Jackson and Lee traitors. The same men who LS called traitors are descendants of the Founders, patriots in their own right.

Further, I take exception to any flavor of history that demonizes these men to "advance the party line."

So let's look at it -

• did removing the CBF from the SC Capital win the GOP any votes?
• did removing the courthouse plaques win the GOP any votes?
• did JEB removing historical flags in Tallahassee win the GOP any votes?

  The GOP practices a different conservatism than what I am comfortable with. The new brand of conservatism aligns itself with Ted Kennedy's interests, calls for more nationality and less sovereignty, provides for open borders, puts other nations interests ahead of its own countrymen.

  I believe in these United States, I also believe there was only one perfect man to ever walk the earth. I don't believe in mudslinging a man's name 150 years after he's gone. Lee and Jackson were patriots - we need more men who are faithful, Christian leaders these days.

[Colonel Kangaroo]

I know you're not a fan of slavery. But I wish people would take take to heart the words of the people who actually instigated the secession. They were all about slavery and their stupid self-centered action put better men like Robert E. Lee in a terrible situation where they had to either violate their better judgment or their loyalty to their home state.

I don't know as much about Stonewall Jackson as I do Lee, so I'm not aware of his admirable personalty as I am Lee.

You don't like Lee and Jackson denigrated. I understand the feeling. I admire Abraham Lincoln and don't appreciate Dilorenzo's one-sided ridiculous portrait of Lincoln as the Count Dracula of American politics. But I don't think calling Lee and Stonewall traitors in a technical sense means that you denigrate their sterling personalities. I just wish the anti-Lincoln crowd could likewise see Lincoln as more than a comic book villain.

I don't think the reb flag is a racist symbol at all for the true heritage types. But sadly it's been hijacked. And when the flag is in a public setting it's on property that also belongs to citizens who are offended by it. I don't approve of the NAACP broad brush unsparing rhetoric, but I'm I can understand why some people have legitimate objections to that flag on public property.