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Haditha slayings were seen as combat-related [Intel declassified]
Los Angeles Times ^ | June 7, 2007. | Tony Perry

Posted on 06/07/2007 3:05:01 AM PDT by RedRover

Officers decided that the 24 Iraqi civilian deaths occurred amid a complex insurgent attack, a Marine testifies.

Defending the lack of a war-crimes investigation in the killing of 24 Iraqi civilians in Haditha, a Marine intelligence officer testified Wednesday that it appeared the deaths had occurred in the midst of a series of attacks by insurgents that Marines had been strongly warned to anticipate.

Capt. Jeffrey Dinsmore said that Marine officers decided the deaths were combat-related and thus no investigation was warranted. His testimony came during an Article 32 inquiry, similar to a preliminary hearing, for a former battalion commander.

In a sometimes bitter exchange with prosecutors, he denounced the Marine Corps for charging Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani with dereliction of duty.

"Politically, the Marine Corps made a decision to hang Col. Chessani out to dry," said Dinsmore, who has served for 20 years and is now deployed to Iraq. He added that he feels the investigation is hurting the Corps.

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Dinsmore, in testimony that was videotaped earlier this year, said Marines had developed intelligence prompting them to prepare for a complex attack involving roadside bombs and small-arms fire, with insurgents hiding among civilians in their homes.

The events seemed to fit that pattern, he said: A bomb exploding under a Humvee and a nearby firefight that erupted after Marines stormed three houses and killed 19 civilians inside.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


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To: RedRover; jazusamo; Girlene; lilycicero; pinkpanther111; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; ...

I am noting, for the record, the non-existant coverage of today’s proceedings.

http://news.google.com/news?tab=in&client=firefox-a&hl=en&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&ie=ISO-8859-1&ncl=1116808711


41 posted on 06/07/2007 6:33:06 PM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: freema

Looks like some media sources are showing they can present a balanced view on this case. Good for them.


42 posted on 06/07/2007 6:53:15 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: freema; Lancey Howard; RaceBannon; Dick Vomer; Girlene; pinkpanther111; Chickenhawk Warmonger; ...
Well, since nothing else is happening, I'll pull out an item from the mailbag...

A man named Don Dinsmore forwarded me a letter today from his son, dated 19 December 2006.

Don is retired Navy. His career as a PAO began in Vietnam and ended with Operation Iraqi Freedom. He has two sons were are Marines. One is a sergeant in Camp Pendleton. The other is currently deployed with the 3/1 in Iraq. He is Capt. Jeffrey Dinsmore.

Please find a letter addressed to me from my son, Jeff Dinsmore, who was proudly serving as the Intelligence Officer of the U.S. Marine Corps' 3/1. They are the proud and "Thundering Third" who were deployed in Haditha, Iraq from September 2005 to March 2006.

Jeff is a conscientious Marine who has advanced from Private to Captain, has been highly decorated throughout his career, and was awarded the Bronze Star for his accomplishments in Haditha, Iraq.

Some of Jeff's unit have been erroneously charged. What a pitiful thing for our Marine Corps and American leadership. We as veterans of foreign wars, retired military, and active defenders of our America hang our heads, ashamed of our countries leadership.

_______________________________________

The Haditha Marines: A Leadership Failure

As I write this, I am sitting in my unit's Combat Operations Center in the desert training area of 29 Palms, California. We are concluding a month-long training exercise called "Mojave Viper." Developed by the Quantico, VA-headquartered Marine Corps Training and Education Command, Mojave Viper is the Marine Corps premier pre-Iraq exercise. It consists of training for a range of unit conventional and counter-insurgency skills, from controlling air and artillery support to handling local tribal leaders and government officials in a small faux-Iraqi town.

Why is this context important? It is important because last week, as part of a required package of Rules of Engagement, Law of War, and counterinsurgency classes, we were given an hour-long class on the topic "The My Lai Massacre and the Haditha Massacre: Common Lessons Learned." The instructor, a LtCol and a Marine Corps lawyer, taught this case study, and between occasional obligatory emphases on the word "alleged" when referencing the "crimes of Haditha", made it clear that both had similar "leadership failures" as their root cause. His class left the students with the clear impression that Haditha would live in infamy as a black mark on the history of the future Corps, much as My Lai haunts the Army's history books today.

Indeed, in the months since the Haditha allegations first surfaced, I have witnessed instructors in classrooms throughout the Marine Corps make remorseful references to the "Haditha Massacre," their remarks usually laden with presupposition of guilt regarding the Marines involved. The discussion itself is not unusual; any accusation carried in the media, as this one has been, is bound to cause conjecture at the water cooler. What makes Haditha different is the speculation has consistently lacked the back and forth, two-sided debate of a typical unresolved issue. More alarming is the fact that combat-experienced Marines, with only media reports as their evidence, have participated fully in this damning conjecture.

Why is Haditha different? How does it come to be that an assumption of Haditha guilt has moved from the water cooler, to formal Marine Corps classrooms, to being a part of the headquarters-approved pre-deployment curricula of every unit in the Marine Corps? After 13 months of little more than rumor, let alone a judicial review of the evidence, why does the average Marine, let alone a Lt Colonel teaching a class of Marines, feel comfortable assuming the guilt of his brothers-in-arms before hearing their side of the story? The answer lies in their leaders' actions.

The first Marine Corps response to the accusations came not from its leadership's words, but by its lack thereof. Despite having completed an independent Army investigation into the incident, the Marine Corps reacted to increased media interest with more - and more vigorous - investigation. No one stood up to the press and explained the findings and recommendations of the first investigation. Marine Corps leaders uttered no words in support of their Marines.

Marine Corps leadership made its position clear by April 7th. 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines left Iraq at the end of March, its Marines naively believing the accolades heaped upon them by their in-country Regimental and Division commanders. Their combat accomplishments, according to the most senior officers in Iraq, were the envy of many other battalions in country. The battalion returned to the states unsuspecting, but rudely awakened by the relief of its battalion commander and one of its most respected company commanders. Those commanders were relieved of duty not by their combat superior, but by the division commander who had remained stateside throughout their deployment, and who had little more than a few weeks of direct observation of their performance. The press release was immediate, and the implication was as clear as their faces on the cover of the Marine Corps Times.

Next: as if reinforcement of the Corps unspoken belief were necessary, Marine Corps Commandant General Hagee went on a May whirlwind tour of Iraq. Nothing proclaims an admission of guilt more than frantic and immediate damage control. The Marines in Iraq now had the commandant's personal stamp of approval to assume the worst. After this tour through Iraq, the Marine Corps commandant gave his official trip report to the press. Couched cautiously between refusals to comment on the ongoing investigation were his stories of talking to Marines in Iraq, and their reassurances that "...that's not what we're about, sir!" The unspoken subtext between the commandant and the media was that whatever those criminals in Haditha did, the rest of the Marine Corps disassociates itself with them.

In late May, the groundwork was laid for a subtle presupposition of guilt, since the first investigations were being questioned and revisited, the commandant had personally conducted "values" training with Marines in Iraq, and the suspected commanders had been relieved of duty. Congressman John Murtha, however, put the Corps leadership in a difficult position. After a briefing by the commandant on the available evidence, Congressman Murtha proclaimed that the Marines killed civilians "in cold blood." The Marine Corps, still in the precarious position of image self-preservation, should have now been expected to defend its Marines against an overt accusation of atrocities. Its leaders did not do so.

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff responded with statements such as: "Fortunately, this type of thing doesn't happen very often...", and: "Regardless of the outcome of these investigations, 99.9 percent of the servicemen and service women are doing what we expect them to do." While this last is a carefully public-affairs crafted statement that allows him to simultaneously defend our good Marines and leave open the possibility that some bad apples exist, it is not a Marine leader's statement of support for his beleaguered subordinates before their guilt is proven. Fortunately, no one asked who exactly are the .1%, and with what unit they serve. Another example of a politically generated position that leaves the media to infer guilt by what is purposely left unsaid.

All this is not to say that the consistent drumbeat of press coverage and politically opportune leaks from anonymous Pentagon staffers have not contributed to the pre-judgment of the Haditha Marines. Those factors, though, are common to every question of guilt or innocence in accusations of military misconduct, and do not usually produce such unanimity of opinion among the Marines rank and file of their fellow Marines' probable guilt. The willingness of Marine Corps Training and Education Command to base its Rules of Engagement training for every battalion going to Iraq on an outcome that has yet to be determined is a clear indicator of what the Corps' leadership believes. Again: Every Marine going to Iraq is receiving this training, and is imbued with the idea that their fellow Marines are guilty of a gruesome massacre on par with the famed My Lai.

The Marine Corps senior leadership, through its initial inaction, and eventually its action to impugn the reputations of serving Marines, has demonstrated its willingness to betray the trust of its most junior Marines serving in combat. One of the secrets to the Marine Corps' success is that while most decision-making centrally resides in one authority figure, that authority is dependent on the absolute trust of his subordinates. Junior Marines trust their leaders to make decisions on their behalf, not clouded by considerations of self-preservation, career enhancement, media scrutiny, or political expediency. Marines in combat are making life and death decisions that they trust their leaders to defend when questioned. When those leaders fail to publicly defend those decisions and in fact enable and participate in the public doubt, that trust will inevitably erode, and the unit will suffer in the long run. Marines will usually forgive a wide range of mistakes and missteps in their officers, but never a betrayal of their trust.

It is now 9 months since the first of several investigations was completed, and over a year since the incident itself. No charges have yet been proven, and evidence has yet to be reviewed by a military judge. Some of the Marines involved now languish in obscure administrative duties, their careers as Marines already ended. Many are, like me, preparing to return, or have already returned, to combat duty in Iraq. All continue to serve faithfully, awaiting further action by a duly appointed judge or jury. While I continue to firmly believe that all will be acquitted, none of them will ever be truly exonerated. Their Marine Corps leaders have seen to that.

A Haditha Survivor
19 December 2006
Sent to Dad,
By your Son,
Jeff.

Proud father and son.

43 posted on 06/07/2007 7:21:52 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: All

Darn it. Should have said, “He has two sons who are Marines.”


44 posted on 06/07/2007 7:23:02 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: RedRover

Excellent!


45 posted on 06/07/2007 7:39:46 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: RedRover
"although no weapons or shell casings were found in or near the car nor in the houses, according to testimony."

Is the l. a. slimes being disingenuous here? Since some of the Marines are being charged with not investigating the incident is it possible shell casings were not found because they were not looked for? I'd like to know the actual testimony regarding this.

46 posted on 06/07/2007 7:46:22 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: RedRover
I am in awe at Capt. Dinsmore's clarity, intelligence, complete sense of the underlying issues, not only affecting this case, but what this case affects. This is an outstanding Marine. His whole letter is chock full of valid points, it's impossible to excerpt one or two sentences as money lines. His title says it all: The Haditha Marines: A Leadership Failure

WOW! Capt. Dinsmore tells it like it is.
47 posted on 06/07/2007 8:03:15 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: Eagles6

I think the prosecution is making it up as they go along. LCpl. Sharratt’s hearing will start Monday. We’ll see what they say then.


48 posted on 06/07/2007 8:06:18 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: RedRover
there is a nice warm place in hell for the pr#cks that are stabbing our brothers in the back.

They were cut loose, abandoned, left behind and tied to the altar of political correctness. The Lt. Col lawyer yapping about ROE, need to go to a FAO, strap on some gear and lead a company into an Iraqi city. By "lead" , I mean do it the Marine leader way...from the FRONT. Not 800 yards back but right behind the lead platoons to get a good view of the "rules of engagement".

GAWD!!!! How can these guys sleep at night? How can they go to the O-club and brag about what a tough tour they've pulled, what with the big cases they're pursuing....against our brothers.

It doesn't even make me mad anymore. I'm actually tearing up thinking thinking about these guys sitting in the brig after they pulled some hard duty in country, saw combat and survived. Now they're fighting a cowardly, bullsh#t battle for their freedom so that Murtha and the libs can have a scalp.

just f'ing great!!! /sarc

The names of everyone of these so called "men" that are behind this needs to be published and those so called "marines" needs to be shunned.

49 posted on 06/07/2007 8:08:45 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: RedRover
The good Captain Dinsmore displays a clarity of mind on these matters. His words are easy to read, but powerful in a way that leaves no opportunity for dispute.

Such men are a blessing that our nations "leaders" ignore to the peril of us all.

We are fortunate for his voice, and fortunate indeed that such men as he still walk among us.

God Bless Captain Dinsmore and our brave defenders, the Haditha Marines,and all who stand with them.

50 posted on 06/07/2007 8:18:07 PM PDT by smoothsailing ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction"--President Ronald Reagan)
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To: RedRover
This letter by Capt. Dinsmore is deserving of its own thread. This could be published in NewsMax, North County Times, etc. It is better, more informed, and covers the Haditha issues more completely than anything I’ve seen, heretofor. If you e-mail back to his father, send him my thankyou to himself for raising such a fine son, and to Capt. Dinsmore for being such a stand-up Marine while so many others have folded.

BTW, who was the division commander he referred to, who remained stateside throughout their deployment, who relieved the Marine commanders of duty? {Showing my military ignorance here.}

51 posted on 06/07/2007 8:20:45 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: smoothsailing; RedRover
God Bless Captain Dinsmore and our brave defenders, the Haditha Marines,and all who stand with them.

Amen, Smooth. Very well said.

I have to believe these Marines will be exonerated, justice demands it.

52 posted on 06/07/2007 9:04:05 PM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: RedRover
This little tidbit is not part of the media's model for this story:
Two or three days before the killings, Marines had learned that fighters from Syria were in Haditha, waiting to ambush them, Dinsmore said.

53 posted on 06/08/2007 3:19:04 AM PDT by Raycpa
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Capt. Dinsmore spent a day testifying in the Lt Col Chessani hearing and apparently NONE of it fit the media model of the story. Even the usually reliable North County Times found nothing worth reporting. * spit *


54 posted on 06/08/2007 4:46:05 AM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: StarCMC
Pinging you, please, to post 43 above.

Don Dinsmore (Retired, Navy, and with two sons in the Corps) is planning a biker run of Blue Star parents and supporters from Seattle to San Diego.

I'll (hopefully) be posting a press release from Don in the next day or so. Wanted to give you a bit of a heads up. I'm hoping you might be able to spread the word among West Coast bikers. Details to follow!

55 posted on 06/08/2007 5:51:12 AM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: RedRover; martin_fierro

Hey Martin- check out post #43 - could you ping your motorcycle list to it?


56 posted on 06/08/2007 6:43:14 AM PDT by StarCMC (Desperately seeking a new tagline. Say something pithy and I'll steal it. :-))
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To: RedRover; Dr. Ed Bravo; OSTATE; MS.BEHAVIN; TherealMr.B; KSParalegal; BraveMan; pandoraou812; ...

Pinging the PGR list to #43. Not PGR, but certainly a troop support ride mission that you might be interested in.


57 posted on 06/08/2007 6:44:38 AM PDT by StarCMC (Desperately seeking a new tagline. Say something pithy and I'll steal it. :-))
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To: RedRover; blackie

One special ping to you - see post #43. I know you’re one of those left-coasters and you might be able to make this ride. *HUGS*


58 posted on 06/08/2007 6:45:47 AM PDT by StarCMC (Desperately seeking a new tagline. Say something pithy and I'll steal it. :-))
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To: StarCMC; RedRover

If I was a little younger I would love to make that ride!

Hats off to those heroes and to all heroes ~ past, present and in the future!

Semper Fi!

Bravo Zulu!


59 posted on 06/08/2007 8:24:42 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie

Thanks, blackie. We’ll keep you in the loop, if you don’t mind. You might have some suggestions as the planning takes shape!


60 posted on 06/08/2007 8:41:31 AM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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