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"God Is Not Great" - Book Review: Peter Hitchens vs Christopher Hitchens
Daily Mail - UK ^ | 2nd June 2007 | PETER HITCHENS

Posted on 06/02/2007 8:59:04 PM PDT by rface

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To: Billthedrill

I did not think you were condescending, nor did I believe you needed to apologize. Your posts are always interesting and well-written. I simply wanted to point out that believers are usually wrong when they presume to know that non-believers are really just believers-in-denial. I see that as a variation of the old fallacy that “there are no atheists in foxholes.”


41 posted on 06/03/2007 12:37:43 AM PDT by BuckeyeForever
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To: Billthedrill
. . .Amis knows him personally and describes his belief that Hitchens is only slightly short of a major political epiphany to follow his moral one. I do not think it much of a stretch to suggest that might be a religious epiphany as well.

Agree as well. Am thinking this book may only be the beginning of what could be a 'watershed moment' or. . .in a more spiritual parlance; an epiphany. . .for Christopher. This does not have to include an acceptance of religion of course. . .only an awakening to the possibilities of Faith. . .

Whatever the case, athiest and/or Leftist; with or without the 'ex'. . . am left with a genuine appreciation for this man. Excellance or aspiring to excellence, in any honest endeavor; and certainly 'writing'. . .identifies one as a seeker of Truth. . .it is most often, a painful undertaking.

42 posted on 06/03/2007 12:54:25 AM PDT by cricket (If you want to lose a mile; give a Lib an inch. . .)
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To: Allan

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43 posted on 06/03/2007 12:58:08 AM PDT by Allan (*-O)):~{>)
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To: BuckeyeForever
Many thanks for the kind words. They mean a great deal to me. Hitchens fascinates me - he is, in my opinion, a deeply conflicted individual struggling with intellectual issues that are fully worthy of the fight, hindered by alcohol and perhaps by fame as well. He can be nasty and vituperative as his comments regarding Mother Teresa and Jerry Falwell (for whom I have no particular liking myself but de mortuis nil nisi bonum) indicate. But there is something of worth there, I think, or maybe I'm only kidding myself.

I'll sleep on it. Have a very good evening.

44 posted on 06/03/2007 1:08:18 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: elhombrelibre

I found that paradox so interesting that I elicited a comment to the Daily Mail saying in essence that it was strangely perverse that a man (Peter Hitchens) who believes in God would be opposed to the salvation and freedom of the oppressed while a man who is an anti-theist preaches for the liberation of millions.
Peter Hitchens says that one’s conscience determines our morality. Perhaps, but there is a greater test of morality - and that is what Christ taught us - sacrifice.
Again, rather perverse, that it is the atheist in this case who is willing to make the sacrifice.


45 posted on 06/03/2007 1:41:21 AM PDT by A'elian' nation (Not all anthuriums are created equal)
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To: BuckeyeForever
God created everything, including, of course, Satan. God messed up on that one. But then we shouldn’t expect God to be infallible. Having created Satan, God cannot destroy him. But then we shouldn’t expect God to be omnipotent. I suspect God cannot find Satan to destroy him, because Satan is cleverer than God. But then we shouldn’t expect God to be omniscient, or omnipresent. Frankly, as I read posts on this board about God, I’ve come to the conclusion that we simply expect too much from him. Nobody’s perfect, after all.

You do of course have the right to believe or not believe whatever your heart's desire. I take comfort in the following Scripture.

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is the devil;

Satan is the only named entity recorded in the Bible to have been given the ultimate death sentence...

46 posted on 06/03/2007 1:54:31 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: little jeremiah
Christopher looks to me to be inebriated or hung over.

Bleeding from the eyes is a dead give-away.

47 posted on 06/03/2007 6:40:22 AM PDT by doberville
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To: rface
Not a very good response. Tries to save the farm by selling it.

For a much better response, see theologian Douglas Wilson's interactions (of which THIS is one of the most brilliant), and his devastating debate with Hitchens himself, starting HERE.

48 posted on 06/03/2007 6:48:45 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: doberville; cricket

Ah, I did not know of his drinking habit. Having been a previous heavy drinker (many long years ago), I should have thought of that.

But I’m sure it’s also the isolation that comes from atheism - especially since he aggressively promoting it.

Prayer is food, actually, the real daily bread.


49 posted on 06/03/2007 7:42:18 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Only those who thirst for the truth will know the truth.)
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To: rface

bump


50 posted on 06/03/2007 7:46:16 AM PDT by VOA
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To: rface

pox on both brothers. Actually I find Christopher more sympathetic because at least he is on the just side in the real world.


51 posted on 06/04/2007 4:56:05 PM PDT by dervish (Lo kam K'Moshe od)
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To: dervish

The Great God Debate: Mark Roberts & Christopher Hitchens in debate all 3 hours of The Hugh Hewitt Show with Hugh as moderator. Just ending here in LA. Very interesting. I hope Hugh posts a transcript on his page.


52 posted on 06/05/2007 5:44:37 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

Please let me know if he does. Thanks.


53 posted on 06/05/2007 8:49:09 PM PDT by dervish (Lo kam K'Moshe od)
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To: dervish; stylecouncilor; All
Click here. It's about midway down the page.
54 posted on 06/06/2007 2:28:09 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: rface

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1175291/posts


55 posted on 07/01/2007 3:51:10 AM PDT by danieldu (Hitchens and Robert Reich's Rhetorical Rubbish)
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56 posted on 07/01/2007 4:48:20 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: GraniteStateConservative
religion is all about making the believer feel good

True. That is why one needs to read the bible and discover the awful truth about ourselves.

57 posted on 07/01/2007 4:52:42 AM PDT by Raycpa
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