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Weekend Talk Show *Preview* for 6/2 - 6/3/07 (not the live thread)
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Posted on 06/02/2007 3:52:49 AM PDT by Phsstpok
Preview and Analysis for Weekend of June 2nd and 3rd, 2007
Guest lineup for the Sunday TV news shows:
NBC's "Meet the Press"
- Bob Shrum
- James Carville
- Mary Matalin
- Mike Murphy
CBS's "Face the Nation"
- Sen. Ken Salazar, D-CO
- Rep. Peter King, R-NY
Fox News Sunday
- Newt Gingrich
- Ryan Crocker, US Amb. to Iraq
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CNN "Late Edition"
- Elizabeth Edwards
- Tagg Romney
- Sen. Diane Feinstein, D-CA
- Sen. Richard Shelby, R-AL
- Bill Schneider, CNN
- Candy Crowley, CNN
- John Roberts, CNN
- Donna Brazile, Democrat Strategist
- J.C.Watts, Republican Strategist
- Scott Spradling, Anchor, WMUR-TV
- Tom Fahey, New Hampshire Union Leader
- Jennifer Vaughn, Anchor, WMUR-TV
ABC's "This Week"
- Iraqi President Jalal Talabani
- Rep. Jack Murtha, D-PA
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War, immigration and the Dhimmicrats debate are the themes this week, as is to be expected.
Actually in the car on the highway right now. Wife is driving first shift. Feel free to talk among youselves.
Hope to talk some later.
This probably won't be cross posted to my blog at Wizards.townhall.com as we're getting on the road for the drive to Orlando. I'll catch up during the week.
This thread exists primarily as a heads up for who is on the weekend talks shows, what they've been invited on to push (based on their recent pronouncements) and the spin (meme) the DBM is likely trying to push based on that information. All of this is prep work for the weekly Sunday Morning Talk Show thread posted by Alas Babylon!. That thread provides a live commentary and analysis of the Sunday talking head shows, with valuable insight and exceptional fact checking. we are the Jedi Council of FreeRepublic, at least in regards to these DBM gabfests. You wanna know what was said and what it meant, as well as where they messed up? Read that thread!
I'll link to Mark Kilmer preview of the Sunday shows over at Redstate.COM when I can.
I'll also see if I can post a link to Politico.COM's Sunday Talk Show Tip Sheet.
TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: campaign; immigration; iraq; talkradio
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Saturday Shows for June 2nd, 2007
Below are the topics and guests announced for these programs, along with my take on the "memes" that the shows are trying to push. With each guest's name are a series of links that I found in a web search that helped me get a handle on who they are and what their likely positions will be when they are interviewed.
The Beltway Boys (Mort Kondrake, Fred Barnes)
- Meme:
- Topics:
- Mort Kondracke explains where he's been for three weeks
- Fred Thompson is up this week and the 'Beltway Boys' will tell you why
- Beltway Boys contact information beltway@foxnews.com
- The program airs on FOX News Channel Saturdays at 6 and 11:30 p.m. ET
CNBC's Tim Russert Show (Tim Russert)
- Meme:
- The Dhimmicrats are back on center stage, now we'll get some real Bush Bashing sound bites we can use!
- The great and powerful Edwards has spoken! Bow down before the hair! Just don't tell him about the guy who styled it for him.
- It's not amnesty! It's slave labor to make big business happy! Wait...
- Topics:
- Tim talks presidential politics with the NBC News political team
- Guests
- David Gregory
- Andrea Mitchell
- Chuck Todd
- CNBC's Tim Russert Show airs Saturday at 7pm, 10pm & 1am ET
Fox News Watch (Eric Burns)
- Meme:
- Can they get more tabloid?
- Topics:
- Trans-Atlantic TB Scare: Is the Andrew Speaker saga a health story or a national security story?
- Terror 'Dry Run': Did the media miss a major story?
- Lindsay Lohan's lows
- The program airs on FOX News Channel Saturdays at 6:30 p.m. ET and Sundays at 2:30 a.m. ET
- Fox News Watch contact information Newswatch@foxnews.com
Journal Editorial Report (Paul Gigot) - FNC show page
- Meme:
- OK, this looked adult... until the whole Barry Bonds thing.
- A thousand years from now I don't that will be in the top 100 things to remember about this era.
- Topics:
- Opinion Journal web page: Strong Men
- What's behind the massive demonstrations this week against Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez?
- Is Barry Bonds the future of professional sports?
- Fox News Channel web page
- Move over Iran and North Korea! Is China a growing military threat?
- Chaos in Caracas as demonstrators protest Hugo Chavez's crackdown on the media
- Guests
- Journal Editorial Report (at Fox News) contact information - jer@foxnews.com
- The program is from The Wall Street Journal and airs on FNC Saturday at 11 p.m. and again Sunday at 6 a.m. ET
NBC Meet The Press (Tim Russert)
Below are the topics and guests announced for this program, along with my take on the "memes" that the show is trying to push. With each guest's name are a series of links that I found in a web search that helped me get a handle on who they are and what their likely positions will be when they are interviewed.
- Meme:
- The Dhimmicrats are back on center stage, now we'll get some real Bush Bashing sound bites we can use!
- The great and powerful Edwards has spoken! Bow down before the hair! Just don't tell him about the guy who styled it for him.
- It's not amnesty! It's slave labor to make big business happy! Wait...
- Topics:
- Decision 2008 heats up!
- A shake-up in the presidential campaign this week as Fred Thompson prepares to run for the White House.
- How will his entry affect the race for the Republican nomination?
- On the Democratic side, two new biographies on Hillary Clinton have everyone talking -- even before their release.
- Who is going to benefit as attention on the former first lady intensifies?
- We will devote the full hour to Decision 2008 coverage, news and analysis with four veteran political strategists
- Guests
- Bob Shrum
- Democrat Strategist | Bio (Wikipedia)
- Author No Excuses: Concessions of a Serial Campaigner
- Long-time Democratic Campaign Strategist Tells All (ABC News - May 24, 2007)
- Edwards uncomfortable with those people Gay (Washington Blade, DC - Jun 1, 2007)
- Did Bubba Betray The Gays? (Queerty, NY - May 30, 2007)
- Edwards comment draws mixed reactions (Washington Blade, DC - Jun 1, 2007)
- Kerry Was Stunned by Edwards Funeral Story (NewsMax.com, FL - May 30, 2007)
- Dem Consultants: Calculations of War (Consortium News - May 30, 2007)
- James Carville
- Mary Matalin
- Mike Murphy
- What would you like to ask this week's guests? (web page for submitting questions for this weeks show)
- Meet the Press mailbox (web page for comments)
CBS Face The Nation (Bob Schieffer)
Below are the topics and guests announced for this program, along with my take on the "memes" that the show is trying to push. With each guest's name are a series of links that I found in a web search that helped me get a handle on who they are and what their likely positions will be when they are interviewed.
- Meme:
- It's not amnesty! It's slave labor to make big business happy! Wait...
- Doom! Doom and defeat in Iraq! These rag heads don't know how to run a democracy! They should bow down before saint Murtha!
- It don't matter what Patreaus says - we're outta there!
- Topics:
- Non listed
- you know it's got to be immigration amnesty and defeat and retreat in Iraq
- Guests
- Senator Ken Salazar, Democrat - Colorado
- Senate web site | Bio
- Salazar praises immigration proposal; Tancredo pans it (9NEWS.com, CO - May 18, 2007)
- Immigration reform has no goals (The Coloradoan, CO - May 31, 2007)
- Salazar lauded for central role in compromise (Denver Post, CO - May 29, 2007)
- Senate Set to Slug It Out Over Immigration (Wall Street Journal - Jun 1, 2007)
- 4 senators join group urging diplomatic effort on Iraq (WMC-TV, TN - May 24, 2007)
- Salazar sees need to stabilize entire Middle East region (Montrose Daily Press, CO - May 31, 2007)
- About a dozen US lawmakers in Israel (Jewish Telegraphic Agency, NY - Jun 1, 2007)
- Salazar Tells Gonzales to Resign (KJCT8.com, CO - May 19, 2007)
- Representative Peter King, Republican - New York
- House web site | Bio
- LIers vocal on issue of immigration (Newsday, NY - May 31, 2007)
- Chertoff hailed on immigration accord (San Francisco Chronicle, CA - May 24, 2007)
- US senators agree on immigration reform (Indian Express, India - May 18, 2007)
- Dem big to NYPD: Butt out (New York Daily News, NY - May 13, 2007)
- Feds raising NY's security funding by 7M (New York Daily News, NY - May 10, 2007)
- You call this security? Area Army bases lax (New York Daily News, NY - May 13, 2007)
- GOP lawmakers say Congress sapping DHS' energy (GovExec.com, DC - May 30, 2007)
- Put King in charge (amNewYork, New York - May 28, 2007)
- Actor poised to follow in Reagan's footsteps (Brisbane Times, Australia - May 31, 2007)
- Face The Nation contact information - ftn@cbsnews.com
Fox News Sunday (Chris Wallace)
Below are the topics and guests announced for this program, along with my take on the "memes" that the show is trying to push. With each guest's name are a series of links that I found in a web search that helped me get a handle on who they are and what their likely positions will be when they are interviewed.
- Meme:
- And we'd like to welcome this weeks Bush Bashing Back Stabber, Newt! The smartest man on the planet!
- It is not doom and defeat in Iraq. These people are doing better than we did in our first 5 years. They should bow down before saint Murtha!
- What Patreaus says matters. Wait for the actual evidence, why dontcha?
- Topics:
- An interview with Newt Gingrich:
- A prominent politician is criticizing the Bush administration this week, slamming the White House record on key issues and calling Bush adviser Karl Rove "maniacally dumb" but the rebuke did not come from a Democrat.
- The Former Republican House Speaker has some harsh words at the White House and its immigration plan, among other issues
- And he continues to tour the country to promote his "solutions" for America.
- We will discuss Iraq, immigration and the 2008 presidential race with him
- The War on Terror
- With the final U.S. troops arriving in Iraq this week to fully implement the surge, we will assess the results of the military strategy nearly five months after President Bush announced the new plan.
- Also, can the U.S. trust the Ahmadinejad regime to help curb violence in Iraq after a meeting between American and Iranian diplomats this week?
- Fox News Sunday panel
- Actor/politician Fred Thompson's decision to throw his hat in the Republican presidential race and how his bid will impact the current frontrunners.
- Fox News essay: Coming up on Fox News Sunday
- Guests
- Newt Gingrich
- Former Speaker of the House
- Web site | Bio
- Newt Gingrich: Rove Maniacally Dumb Left Bush Minus Political Capital (Post Chronicle - May 30, 2007)
- Newt settles Bush/Carter worst president controversy: They both reek (Hot Air, MD - May 29, 2007)
- Gingrich: Sarkozy a model for Republicans (GOPUSA, TX - May 30, 2007)
- Tennessee Two-Step (CBS News, NY - May 31, 2007)
- Newt's solution for winning a nomination? (Politico, DC - May 29, 2007)
- Gingrich discusses history and the future during Maui visit (Maui News, HI - Jun 1, 2007)
- Teacher Reports on Newt Gingrich's Spanish Progress (Education Week News, MD - May 29, 2007)
- Newt's Spanish tutor backs 'ghetto' remark (Politico, DC - May 29, 2007)
- Newt's novel ideas (Salon - May 29, 2007)
- Ryan Crocker
- U.S. Ambassador to Iraq | Embassy web site | Bio
- Iran and the US: A new Cold War? (BBC News, UK -Jun 1, 2007)
- On-the-Record Briefing With US Ambassador to Iraq Ryan C. Crocker (NewsBlaze, CA - May 28, 2007)
- US Ambassador: Irans Actions Must Match Words (Media Newswire (press release), NY - May 30, 2007)
- High Noon With Iran (AINA, CA - May 31, 2007)
- America's Enemies Think They Know What it Takes (AINA, CA - Jun 1, 2007)
- US and Iran Discuss Iraq Security (NPR - May 28, 2007) Note: page includes link to streaming audio
- Bush reverts to Plan BH (Indianapolis Star, IN - Jun 1, 2007)
- US, Iran broadly agree on Iraq; US demands no support for militias (EiTB, Spain - May 28, 2007)
- Fox News Sunday panel
- Fox News Sunday contact information - FNS@foxnews.com
CNN Late Edition (Wolf Blitzer)
Below are the topics and guests announced for this program, along with my take on the "memes" that the show is trying to push. With each guest's name are a series of links that I found in a web search that helped me get a handle on who they are and what their likely positions will be when they are interviewed.
- Meme:
- The Dhimmicrats are back on center stage, now we'll get some real Bush Bashing sound bites we can use!
- The great and powerful Edwards has spoken! Bow down before the hair!
- It's not amnesty! It's slave labor to make big business happy! Wait...
- Topics:
- On the day of the Democratic debate, insight on the candidates from their families
- A special edition of Late Edition" from New Hampshire
- Guests
- Elizabeth Edwards
- Wife of presidential candidate John Edwards | Bio
- Elizabeth Edwards Pulls No Punches (Progressive.org, WI - May 29, 2007)
- Elizabeth Edwards stays strong, stays on message (The Capital Times, WI - May 25, 2007)
- Elizabeth Edwards says cancer hasnt slowed her campaigning (Winona Daily News, MN - May 24, 2007)
- Edwards extols working-class background (DesMoinesRegister.com, IA - May 27, 2007)
- Elizabeth Edwards: "There are No Guarantees" (WRAL.com, NC - May 13, 2007)
- Tagg Romney
- Senator Diane Feinstein, Democrat - California
- Senate web site | Bio
- Investigating US Senator Diane Feinstein (National Ledger, AZ - May 15, 2007)
- Question of the week: Is it time for a timeline in Iraq? (Napa Valley Register, CA - May 22, 2007)
- LANS partner, Washington International Group, bought out (Los Alamos Monitor, NM - May 30, 2007)
- Feinstein Helps Negotiate Bill to Give Illegals a Citizenship Path (KPBS, CA - May 17, 2007)
- Immigration reform's new hurdle (Marketplace, CA - May 21, 2007)
- Bill offers fix for farmworker shortage (KESQ, CA - May 17, 2007)
- Getting the Government the Third World Deserves (American Thinker, AZ - May 29, 2007)
- Senator Feinstein Seeks to Close Gitmo (Across the Aisle, DC - May 3, 2007)
- Senator Richard Shelby, Republican -Alabama
- Senate web site | Bio
- Shelby on immigration - Senator opposes pending legislation 'built around amnesty' (The Decatur Daily, AL - May 23, 2007)
- Shelby opposes amnesty for illegal immigrants (AL.com, AL - May 23, 2007)
- Senate still short of agreement on Iraq war future (Medill Reports, DC - May 17, 2007)
- Shelby: Reassess Iraq at Thanksgiving (The Decatur Daily, AL - May 3, 2007)
- Act denies workers private union choices (Shelby County Reporter, AL - May 29, 2007)
- Senate okays amendment to boost fish, seafood inspections (AL.com, AL - May 10, 2007)
- Lunar robotics office stays at flight center (Montgomery Advertiser, AL - May 28, 2007)
- Bill Schneider, CNN Senior Political Analyst
- Candy Crowley, CNN Senior Political Correspondent
- John Roberts, Anchor, CNNs American Morning
- Donna Brazile, Democratic Strategist; CNN Contributor
- J.C.Watts, Republican Strategist; CNN Contributor
- Scott Spradling, Anchor, WMUR-TV
- Tom Fahey, New Hampshire Union Leader
- Jennifer Vaughn, Anchor, WMUR-TV
- CNN Late Edition (web page for comments)
ABC This Week (George Stephanopoulos)
Below are the topics and guests announced for this program, along with my take on the "memes" that the show is trying to push. With each guest's name are a series of links that I found in a web search that helped me get a handle on who they are and what their likely positions will be when they are interviewed.
- Meme:
- Doom! Doom and defeat in Iraq! These rag heads don't know how to run a democracy! They should bow down before saint Murtha!
- It don't matter what Patreaus says - we're outta there!
- Topics:
- An interview with the President of Iraq:
- The Iraqi leader met with President Bush in the Oval Office on Thursday and said that the Iraqi government is determined to meet benchmarks issued by the United States. Can they do it and how much longer before Iraqi troops must take over the fight?
- An interview with a leading anti-war voice in the U.S. Congress:
- The issue of benchmarks
- What Congress hopes to hear from Gen. Petreaus in his September report on the status of the surge
- Voices segment: NASCAR driver Kyle Petty:
- Discussing the loss of his son Adam and his work to build a summer camp for children with chronic illnesses
- Guests
- Iraqi President Jalal Talabani
- Founder and Secretary General of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) | Bio
- Bush, Talabani embrace progress benchmarks (The Statesman, India - Jun 1, 2007)
- Talabani condemns Al Kilani Mosque explosion (Alsumaria, Iraq - May 30, 2007)
- US commanders seek Iraq cease-fires (DetNews.com, MI - Jun 1, 2007)
- [INSIDE NORTHERN IRAQ] Barzani is popular but Talabani doesnt sell (Today's Zaman, Turkey - May 31, 2007)
- US Races To Prevent Turkish Raid Into Iraq (New York Sun, NY - May 31, 2007)
- The Incredible Vanishing Iraqi Political Leadership (Bay Area Indymedia, CA - May 21, 2007)
- Iraqi President Talabani completes exam at Mayo Clinic (Post-Bulletin, MN - May 31, 2007)
- Representative Jack Murtha, Democrat - Pennsylvania
- House web site | Bio
- Jack Murtha's Friends (Human Events, DC - May 29, 2007)
- Is CNN Moving to the Right? (NewsBusters - Jun 1, 2007)
- The Murtha Democrats (Yahoo! News - May 31, 2007)
- Mad Jack Murtha strikes again (Power Line, MN - May 18, 2007)
- Jack the Stripper (Wall Street Journal - May 21, 2007)
- Murtha's an embarrassment the Democrats can't hide (Houston Chronicle, TX - May 30, 2007)
- ETHICS: Murtha Watch (MSNBC - May 23, 2007)
- Congress Appears To Be Still Feeding At The Trough (Evening Bulletin, PA - May 24, 2007)
- Whom Do You Trust? (Power Line, MN - May 3, 2007)
- Roundtable:
- George Will
- Sam Donaldson
- Cokie Roberts
- ABC This Week comment web page
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posted on
06/02/2007 3:52:52 AM PDT
by
Phsstpok
To: A.Hun; Bahbah; Txsleuth; MNJohnnie; eeevil conservative; Alas Babylon!; Seattle Conservative; ...
Ping
Another abbreviated preview thread. This time I spared you my usual pithy analysis.
I’m actually in a car on my way to Florida as I post this.
Talk later.
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posted on
06/02/2007 3:58:42 AM PDT
by
Phsstpok
(Often wrong, but never in doubt)
To: Phsstpok
Thanks for your usual great work. Not a lot of “must watch” TV tomorrow!
Interesting that ABC “pairs up” the President of Iraq with Congressman Murtha.
MTP has reached total irrelevance.
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posted on
06/02/2007 4:25:18 AM PDT
by
maica
(America will be a hyperpower that's all hype and no power -- if we do not prevail in Iraq)
To: Phsstpok
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posted on
06/02/2007 4:30:08 AM PDT
by
ken5050
To: Phsstpok
Many thanks, Phsstpok.
I'm not sure that I can take this many dems on the tube tomorrow. Their lust for power at any cost is disgusting....a bunch of hyenas, their fangs dripping w/blood.
This nation deserves better than having dems controlling the reins of power.
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posted on
06/02/2007 4:37:45 AM PDT
by
Carolinamom
(Every day is a gift; be thankful.)
To: Phsstpok
Nice work as always.
For those interested, you can get streaming audio feeds of most of these shows.
- The Beltway Boys: Sat. 9:00 PM
- Fox News Watch: Sat. 9:30 PM
- Journal Editorial Report: Sun. 10:30 AM
- CNBC's Tim Russert Show: Not available
- Meet the Press: Sun. 12n, 3pm, 6pm, 8pm
- This Week: Sun. 1pm, 4pm
- Fox News Sunday: Sun. 12n, 2pm, 3pm, 5pm, 7pm, 9pm
- Face the Nation: Sun. 12:30pm, 4:30pm, 10pm
- Late Edition: Sun. 3:00pm
Shows with a by their names also have alternate streaming times on the Fox News Talk channel (Schedule, Listen Live). Also check for streaming video on demand on the shows' respective Web sites.
I have also indexed this page on the talkradio keyword.
To: jmyrlefuller
This is such a thoughtful and outstanding post that I am reposting it here so that more will see it. nathanbedford has compiled a number of his previous posts which he has italicized. The original post is here. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1843572/posts?page=8#8
Conservative epiphany or Bush’s jump the shark moment?
Judging from the posts since Bush’s intransigent support for the immigration amnesty bill, Bush, wittingly or not, has severed himself from his conservative base. His speech is probably one of the most inept ever made by a modern American president, it rivals Jimmy Carter’s malaise speech for sheer artlessness. It might even prove more self-destructive.
This this is an odd position for a President in the midst of an unpopular war, who is treading water with a 30% approval rating. Nonetheless, Bush must govern and, more critically, he must wage war for the balance of his term. How can he do so now that he has finally, I say irretrievably, cut his base legs out from under his administration? why would any president so isolate himself, especially as he and his wife and Barney, and what’s left of his base, are the only ones who support the war in Iraq?
I have long been posting that Bush is no conservative but rather a Christian. I think that is half the answer. Here are some of my comments made before the 2006 election:
The problem with George Bush is that he is not primarily a conservative, he is primarily a Christian, and he does not have a calculus that is congruent with yours or mine, even though both of us might be Christians.
George Bush sees partisan politics as petty and ultimately meaningless. We see partisanship as the indispensable stuff of freedom. At election time the Bushes will hold their nose and dip into partisanship. But it is not in their essential nature to wage war for tactical political advantage.
George Bush wants what Bill Clinton wanted: To fashion a legacy. He does not want to be remembered as the man who cut a few percentage points from an appropriation bill but as the man who reshaped Social Security. I’ve come to the conclusion that the Bushes see politics as squirmy, fetid. It must be indulged in if one is to practice statesmanship but it is statesmanship alone that that is worthy as a calling.
They are honest, they are loyal, they are patrician. There would’ve been admired and respected if had lived among the founding fathers. But it is Laura Bush and Momma Bush who really and truly speak for the family and who tell us what they are thinking and who they are. There’s not a Bush woman who does not believe in abortion. They believe in family, they live in loyalty, they believe in the tribe, but they do not believe in partisan politics.
I believe it is time for us to decide no longer to be used by the Bush family as useful idiots and instead to begin to use the Bushes as our useful idiots . I say this with the utmost admiration and respect for everything the Bushes stand for. Who would not be proud beyond description to have a father or an uncle who was among the first and youngest of naval aviators to fight in the Pacific and to be twice shot down. Not a stain or blemish of corruption or personal peccadillo has touched the family(except for the brother whom I believe was cleared of bank charges). They are the living embodiment of all that is good and noble in the American tradition.
But they are not conservative.
I think that constitutes half the answer but what is the other half? At the time of the Harriet Myers nomination I posted this:
As a result of the policies of the Bush administration, Republicans have forfeited their formerly kryptonite hundred year claim to be the party of fiscal responsibility. Contrary to what Rush Limbaugh says, the Democrats do have an affirmative program, it is to be the party of fiscal responsibility by raising taxes and cutting spending. They will point out that the Republicans are the party of fiscal irresponsibility because they have cut taxes and increased spending. Because Bush and the Congressional Republicans have sought to buy votes with federal spending rather than cut spending in all areas apart from national defense, it is now the Democrats who can plausibly say that it is they who are fiscally responsible.
Their argument will not convince us but it will be persuasive enough, especially when supported by a full-court press from the whole of the mainstream media, to blur the fundamental distinction between the parties and perhaps gain the next election by confusing a fair portion of the electorate.
Thus we have wantonly kicked away one of the legs of our stool. Another leg of the stool was comprised of our ability to go to the electorate, as George Bush did successfully in the last two elections, and persuasively argue that we were the party of judicial integrity. That we were the party which manned the threshold to the Constitution like the Patriots at Thermopylae to check the ravening horde of liberals who would sack the Constitution like a city which had succumbed to a siege.
The Harriet Meir nomination in a stroke has needlessly compromised our ability plausibly to appeal to the electorate as of the party which stands on constitutional principle and eschews judicial opportunism.
We are now left with only one issue which separates us from the Democrats, national security. Like it or not, ever since there were no weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq, we’ve been on the run on this issue. Yes I know we won the last election on this issue but the tide has clearly turned. Watch Hillary contrive to present herself as a plausible candidate who is strong on defense.
Why did we saw off two of our three legs? On the issue of spending some would say it is because Bush was never a conservative. Others would say that it was the war that did it but that would not be the whole truth, at least that would not be the whole explanation. Others would say that it is simply the nature of a politician to buy votes with other people’s money and the temptation, even to Republicans, is irresistible.
My own view is that our present dilemma is the product of a little bit of each of the above. For years now I’ve been posting my view the George Bush is not essentially a movement conservative but a committed Christian. Here’s what I’ve been saying recently:
The truth is straightforward, as usual. Bush is first a committed Christian, then a devoted family man who values personal loyalty to an extreme, and third, a conservative when that philosophy does not conflict with the first two. In this appointment, Bush believes he has satisfied all three legs of the stool. This is what I posted yesterday:
On the limited evidence available, I do positively believe Bush appointed her because she has been reborn. I mean that quite respectfully. I mean that he is counting on her being a new person. Most of the time it means she will vote conservative. But I honestly do not think Bush appointed her to vote conservative. I think he appointed he to vote in the SPIRIT.
The sad thing for us conservatives is to contemplate just how unnecessary the debacle over Harriet Meir really was. One can understand the fear in the legislative heart of retribution from constituents as their snouts are pulled away from the trough. One can even understand Bush’s, or perhaps more accurately Rove’s, trepidations in dealing with immigration arising out of fear that they will be called racists and out of the desire to pander to portions of the business community. But the whole nomination fiasco is almost uniquely unrelated to identifiable political or policy considerations. In the absence of such temporal explanations, I am left with the conclusion that Bush has a selected her because she’s Christian.
I have quoted these previous post extensively to demonstrate that I have not come lately or opportunistically to this point of view. I’ve been saying this about George Bush for years now.
It remains now only to say what I tried to articulate in my “about” page: that Tip O’Neil had it wrong, all politics is not local, but racial. That is to say that the modern American political landscape is dominated by race and especially the abhorrence of any politician to be stripped of power like Trent Lott or to be stripped in Orwellian fashion of his very personhood like Don Imus.
The last refuge for scoundrels of the left is to play the race card.
I believe the George Bush’s Christian faith sincerely compels him toward an abhorrence of racism, or sexism, or religious bigotry. Hence, he extols the Muslim religion as having a faith on equal value with Christianity. He appoints Harriet Myers to the Supreme Court. He joins in the Inquisition of Trent Lott. He squanders billions in Africa to fight AIDS. He cannot see the immigration issue as anything except No- Nothing Nativists seeking to work their prejudices against brown people.
Because this is more than a philosophical but rather a religious conviction with George Bush, his position on immigration (as well as on Iraq) will prove to be utterly intractable. He is immune to blandishments, threat,, or argument because it is a matter of faith.
We conservatives have better decide what we are going to do with the our movement. My preliminary conclusion: the sooner we conservatives divorce George Bush, the better for America.
8 posted on 06/02/2007 5:38:22 AM CDT by nathanbedford (”I like to legislate. I feel I’ve done a lot of good.” Sen. Robert Byrd)
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posted on
06/02/2007 4:47:50 AM PDT
by
Bahbah
(Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
To: Phsstpok
Thanks, as always, for posting this!

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posted on
06/02/2007 5:15:09 AM PDT
by
pookie18
([Hillary Rotten] Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
To: ken5050
LOL
I thought that he was 0-9, but I be blonde
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posted on
06/02/2007 5:21:37 AM PDT
by
saveliberty
(Prayer blizzard for Tony and Jill Snow and their family.)
To: saveliberty
You could be correct..I lost count..However, if Shrum is once again dipping his toe into Dem presidential politics, I may still feel a faint stir of optimism about 2008...
BTW..blonde is good...
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posted on
06/02/2007 5:56:22 AM PDT
by
ken5050
To: ken5050
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posted on
06/02/2007 5:57:46 AM PDT
by
saveliberty
(Prayer blizzard for Tony and Jill Snow and their family.)
To: Bahbah
NB longs for the days of his name sake Nathan Bedford. You do know Bedford was the founder of the KKK right?
He is one of the the hyper hysteric Buchannites. IF Conservatives want to be nothing but a political finger wacko group no one pays any attention to, they should listen to NB.
Like it or not, ALL political movements are coalitions of interests. Screaming, as NB has for the last 7 years, for dogmatic purity is the siren song of complete political idiots. It makes the screamers feel all macho and tough but it gets NOTHING of their agenda advanced. 70% of something is FAR better then 100% of NOTHING.
On Judges alone GW Bush has done far more good for the Conservative Movement’s future then all the “Conservative Media” screamers with their “Dogma uber alles” mindset have, or ever will, do. This “divorce Bush” ranting is a song sung by idiots full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
13
posted on
06/02/2007 6:29:07 AM PDT
by
MNJohnnie
(If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
To: Bahbah
Also moronic on claiming the Democrats are the party of “Fiscal responsibility.
Guess the screaming Bush haters like NB haven’t bothered to notice that DESPITE being at War the Deficit has been cut in half in the last 2 years and was on a path to being eliminated?
Meanwhile the current Democrat Congress has ALL ready increased spending without ANY new taxes being raised.
Tax cuts raise revenues by unceasing economic growth. For a “Conservative” to argue that the Democrats are “fiscally responsible” for wanting to raise taxes and cut spending (which they have not at all done) indicates a complete ignorance of all political reality.
But then it is not at all about reality. It about the Freeper Dinocons finding their daily excuse to vent their angst because the political world that existed 35 years ago has vanished and they are too arrogant conviced of their own infallibility to evolve their dogmas to fit the new political realities. Conservative spend all their time for 7 years shooting their own in the back and THEN wonder why the President has finally said "screw you losers"?
14
posted on
06/02/2007 6:35:58 AM PDT
by
MNJohnnie
(If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
To: MNJohnnie
Screaming, as NB has for the last 7 years, for dogmatic purity is the siren song of complete political idiots.I can be quite dense, but I did not detect that in his comments.
15
posted on
06/02/2007 6:58:27 AM PDT
by
Bahbah
(Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
To: Bahbah
From NB's post:
I have long been posting that Bush is no conservative but rather a Christian. I think that is half the answer. Here are some of my comments made before the 2006 election:
16
posted on
06/02/2007 7:00:26 AM PDT
by
MNJohnnie
(If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
To: MNJohnnie
Well, he may just have a point there. And there is nothing wrong with wanting to help the poor and downtrodden of the world, but a President should adhere to his oath of office as his primary duty.
This immigration bill just brings us to a point where we have to start asking some hard questions and finding some good answers.
17
posted on
06/02/2007 7:07:36 AM PDT
by
Bahbah
(Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
To: Phsstpok
The shows could have some potential tomorrow especially Newt.
Be careful driving you picked a tough day to drive to the not so sunshiney state.
18
posted on
06/02/2007 12:08:32 PM PDT
by
rodguy911
(Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
To: Bahbah
GW does put us in a truly tough position as Conservatives. In my case “conservative” Republican. I want to support a sitting pubbie pres. but can’t support his policies. Tough place to be.
19
posted on
06/02/2007 12:14:52 PM PDT
by
rodguy911
(Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
To: rodguy911
At least we have arrived at a time (although earlier than usual) where we are beginning to look for a new standard bearer to define the policies we can support. I’m with the President on the war anyway, but we’ve just had to avert our eyes on so many things. Well, it’s new day.
20
posted on
06/02/2007 12:34:16 PM PDT
by
Bahbah
(Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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