Posted on 05/26/2007 6:03:10 PM PDT by WOSG
Duncan Hunter........if ANNIE is for him....IM for him.
and ANN COULTER’s pick is Duncan HUNTER
it is gut-wrenching to see the RINOs and even our own Republican President falling over themselves to support this kennedy-written dreck.
What will be even sadder is to see liberal Democrats defeating these Republican Senators because the Republicans sold out, only to see the Democrat Senators spend the next 6 years do far far worse.
Case in point: Pro-full-amnesty Senators Casey of PA and Webb of VA, who defeated conservatives Santorum and Allen respectively.
Sad.
Unless we take out Lindsay Graham fo SC in the primaries, it is possible to have a choice in 2008 between a sellout and a liberal in one of the conservative states in the union. At a time when we need every single cosnervative vote in the too-liberal Senate. Really sad!!
One thing it will do is vastly increase the number of scofflaws in our country. This will complete the job begun by government programs like the IRS.
Most government activity is just irrational or incompetent but the American people will witness laws actually being passed to reward instead of punishing law breakers.
So a nation that used to bill itself as a nation of laws will become ungovernable. And the elites who created the situation will probably have theirs by then and won’t care.
Your proposals are impractical, extreme and unwise. The ‘deport them all immediately’ is an impossibility (and used as such by the pro-amnesty side as a strawmna argument). Excessive force is cruel, inhumane and unnecessary; a strong, guarded, secure fence is all that is needed, no more no less.
And you cannot get Mexico to agree to anything except taking back her own. We are better off simply working with Mexico via (a) strong secure border fence and (b) immigration vias rules that limit every country of origin to 10% of total visas.
So you are left with a choice. Go along with Kennedy’s citizenship for all or find a *reasonable* alternative.
This is a solution most can agree with:
“Can there be a system that is both ‘in control’ of immigration and at the same meets the needs of would-be immigrants, employers, and the rest of us? If there is a solution, it is probably the following: First, secure our borders. Second, enforce immigration law in the workplace far beyond the current pitiful levels. Third, replace our current immigration system, tilted too far in favor family-based migration (known as “chain migration” to some), with a system that leans more towards employment-based immigration. With 1-2 million jobs created each year, if our current legal level of immigration were mostly employment-based, it would be more than sufficient to meet any supposed labor needs.”
Thanks for the ping! I haven’t seen a candidate stronger on immigration than Duncan Hunter. He says that if he was President, that border fence would up in 6 months. He hates this bill, and I know he would veto it if he was POTUS.
I like your style. You're a man among boys.
How do I fix a thread title?
The intended thread title is: “This Immigration Bill is Built to Fail”
I dont know how that comment about Pres candidates became the thread title. Also, date needs to be fixed.
As long as conservatives believe there are only two choices, Republican or Democrat then they will not ever see any meaningful choice when it counts. I voted the Republican ticket without fail from ‘68 up until ‘96 when the Republican party shoved me aside and stopped representing me as a principled conservative. I now vote for the person that best represents my values and since at least 1992 that has not been the party that has come to represent bloated bigger and more intrusive government.
And until people wake up and start to see there isn’t really all that much difference between the two major parties then they will continue serve them as indentured slaves in mind and in deed. Republicans are proving to me with each passing day that they aren’t really much different than the Democraps. Both parties are selling us all out for a pocketful of gold.
I disagree emphatically with the phony notion that that “there isn’t really all that much difference between the two major parties” and could cite chapter and verse. But I’ll leave that argument aside, and just say it is best to put aside the party labels and look at each political leader and candidate as individuals, and see who are doing and saying the right things and follow them.
Almost all the Senators and Representatives saying the *right* things about what needs to be done - DeMint, Sessions, Grassley - and running for president, eg, Duncan Hunter, are Republicans.
Example: Rep John Boehner called the senate immigration bill a ‘piece of s888’
Immigration is a ‘wedge’ issue that splits the GOP base from many elites in both parties. We simply have to cull wheat from chaff and support *ONLY* those candidates who support the right position on immigration, whatever the party label.
Pray that this bill gets defeated!
Weirdly, the thread title I put up was all wrong anyway.
It was supposed to be:
“This Immigration Bill is Built to Fail”
You are mischaracterizing or misunderstanding Fred Thompson’s position on illegal immigration. He did say that deporting all of them is unrealistic, but that is hardly the end of his position.
He is for securing the border before we do anything. Then, he is for enforcing existing laws, so the illegals go home on their own. Turning the water off so to speak.
On this issue, you are the only realist I've seen on this forum.
The solution to this problem will not come from government.
Your a liar too sooo theerrrree!
take that windbag....
Oh that felt sooooooo gooood
LOL
Where hunters traction???
he has none.......
Attrition would also successfully resolve the continuing U.S. illegal immigration problems.
According to Thompson, I'm not "misunderstanding" him at all.
From his interview with Christ Wallace on Fox News, March 11, 2007...
Now, you said, "Look, it's just not realistic that we're going to round up 12 million people and ship them all out of the country."
THOMPSON: Well, that's true, as a general statement. We woke up one day after years of neglect and apparently discovered that we have somewhere between 12 million and 20 million illegal aliens in this country. So it became an impossible situation to deal with.
I mean, there's really no good solution. So what do you do? You have to start over. Well, I'm concerned about the next 12 million or 20 million. So that's why enforcement, and enforcement at the border, has to be primary.
The way to get rid of these people is to shut down their biggest employers. That's right. Shut them down. Completely. One after another in quick succession. Serious prison time. Massive fines. At the same time, at least 20,000 troops on the border with shoot-to-kill orders.
That's how it's done.
Anything else is nonsense.
WALLACE: Well, let me put up on the screen something that you said last year about illegals, and let's take a look at it. "You're going to have to, in some way, work out a deal where they can have some aspirations of citizenship but not make it so easy that it's unfair to the people waiting in line and abiding by the law." Now, you said, "Look, it's just not realistic that we're going to round up 12 million people and ship them all out of the country."
THOMPSON: Well, that's true, as a general statement. We woke up one day after years of neglect and apparently discovered that we have somewhere between 12 million and 20 million illegal aliens in this country. So it became an impossible situation to deal with.
I mean, there's really no good solution. So what do you do? You have to start over. Well, I'm concerned about the next 12 million or 20 million. So that's why enforcement, and enforcement at the border, has to be primary. I think most people feel disillusioned after 1986 when we had this deal offered to them before, and now we're insisting that, you know, we solve the security problem first, and then we'll talk about what to do with regard to other things — certainly no amnesty or nothing blanket like that.
But figure out some way to make some differentiation between the kind of people that we have here. You know, if you have the right kind of policies, and you're not encouraging people to come here and encouraging them to stay once they're here, they'll go back, many of them, of their own volition, instead of having to, you know, load up moving vans and rounding people up. That's not going to happen.
Thompson has since come out even stronger on this issue.
You are a liar and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Mind if I take a turn?..
Please notice the stark contrast between who Romney has always been and who Romney says he is today.
He's an empty suit and brazen liar.
It means Thompson will do nothing about the 20 million or more illegals who are here.
Nothing.
Here's your boy Thompson...
... an impossible situation to deal with.
... you know, we solve the security problem first, and then we'll talk about what to do with regard to other things — certainly no amnesty or nothing blanket like that.
You see, what Thompson doesn't seem to understand is that many voters don't want a promise "to talk about what to do" about the 20 million illegals at some indefinite time in the future. We want a concrete plan -- not this vague, limp-wristed hogwash we're hearing from Thompson.
So go ahead and vote for him. You'll get business as usual -- the "fence" that never gets built and wouldn't keep out a butterfly even if it were built -- and 20 million illegals who stay right where they are, reproducing like flies -- when they're not murdering and raping Americans, bankrupting community resources and committing every kind of identity fraud.
You want to believe Thompson's got a plan? Be my guest but to me, he sounds just like another bullshiter on the next barstool.
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