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To: Colofornian; Bonaparte; FastCoyote; Netizen; tantiboh; sevenbak; Utah Girl; Saundra Duffy; ...
Well, to take your suggestion (since I hadn't even thought of that analogy until I wrote you), the cookie recipe dude making all the dough perhaps thought he was only making this cookie more "digestible" (ya gotta admit that the LDS faith just so "happens" to deal with several of the ongoing theological debates of the 1820s...age of accountability, eternal hell, the effect of baptism, etc...showing very plainly that this cookie was baked in the U.S. and not anywhere else--like from Kolob). In making this cookie more "digestible," said maker indeed added elements that were fatal--even if he wasn't sure what the end product would be.

If such a cookie-maker added one untested ingredient for digestibility, + another for addictive nature (what Bonaparte writes about), it would be a very potent cookie if it nabbed long-term customers. Even if they died 30 yrs down the line, I'll take a 30-year customer, especially if he comes to me because he tells me that the easy digestibility of the cookie helps his health and his stomach ailments.


You argument crumbles again. And your argument is only half-baked, Joseph was a prophet, so of course he asked what was on his mind and got answers, so of course he got answers to the questions of the day.
Explain why he was told smoking was bad for you, and alcohol, all in a day when they were thought to be health promoting, Explain the Chiasmus in the book of Mormon.
Expalin the fact that the Book of Moses, and the book of Abraham are now backed up by the book of Enoch in many of their teachings.
Explain the witness of men and women of the past and the present who testify of him.
Explain why in the face of adversity that the enemies of the church were sure would destroy the church that it has prospered.
Explain away the testimonies of the witnesses of the Book of Mormon who did not recant even in the most dire circumstances their testimonies.
Explain the martyrdom of Joseph Smith
Explain why his name is had for good and ill, just as he prophesied it would be.
Explain why you and yours find “No Evidence” of Joseph as a prophet unless it is that there truly are none so blind as those who will not see.

Explain yourself, Sir.
2,731 posted on 05/16/2007 1:17:44 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser
and the book of Abraham are now backed up by the book of Enoch in many of their teachings.

The PoGP has a facsimile of portions of the Book of Abraham in the PoGP. Dr. Hugh Nibley concluded that "papyrus scripts given to the Church do not prove the Book of Abraham is true) after the papyri was recovered 40 yrs ago. Brown University egyptologist Dr. Richard Parker examined Joe Smith's supposed "translation" and it bears absolutely no resemblance to the Book of Abraham. In fact, scholars who have translated it come up with a 75-word translation.

Smith came up with thousands of words. A backward "E" translated by Smith as the Book of Abraham 1:13-14 = 76 English words, including 9 proper names & 8 nouns.

2,745 posted on 05/16/2007 2:54:09 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: DelphiUser
Explain away the testimonies of the witnesses of the Book of Mormon who did not recant even in the most dire circumstances their testimonies.

Oh, you mean Martin Harris, the Quaker-turned-Universalist-turned-Restorationist-turned Baptist-turned Presbyterian-turned-Mormon? (And that was only before his conversion to Mormonism) Afterward, (after the LDS kicked him out), he changed religions 8 more times (including with the Shakers) & then w/an LDS break-off group, the Strangites. Harris said his testimony for Shakerism was greater than for Mormonism. Just go to a BYU 1955 thesis by Wayne Gunnell and you'll see that the Shakers' "Sacred Roll and Roll Book" was likewise supposedly delivered by an "angel." (BTW, Harris, according to a book, Gleanings by the Way, said he aw the plates via "eyes of faith and not w/natural eyes")

Oh, you mean David Whitmer, who was also excommunicated from the LDS church. According to the Palmyra Reflector (3/19/1831), Whitmer, like Harris, also said he saw the gold plates "by the eye of faith." Whitmer = "dumb beast to ride" & "an ass to bray out cursings instead of blessings" per JS (HoC, vol. 3: 228). Whitmer announced in 1847 (declared to Oliver Cowdery) that he was the prophet of the New Church of Christ.

Or how about Cowdery? Before or as being excommunicated by the LDS church (HoC, 3:16-18), JS said he was the leader of a gang of "scoundrels of the deepest degree (Senate Doc 189, 2/15/1841, pp. 6-9, Comprehensive History of the Church, B.H. Roberts, vol. 1, pp. 438-439). This gang was apparently involved with stealing, lying, perjury, counterfeiting, & adultery.

As a later convert to Methodism, he denied the BoM and publicly confessed sorrow/shame for LDS connection. LDS try to make much of his return to the LDS church in 1848, but Cowdery rejoined efforts after that with LDS apostate apotle Wm McLellin as they tried to raise up a competing kingdom to LDSism.

So you rest your eternal life and faith in these 3?

Non primary sources above from Harvest House Publishers, 1995 pp. 401-404.

2,746 posted on 05/16/2007 3:11:27 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: DelphiUser
Explain the witness of men and women of the past and the present who testify of him.

Explain why if it's the Holy Spirit's role to testify to Jesus (John 15:26) and glorify Him (John 16:14) why LDS witnesses "of the past" who want to testify of a mere man (even if he was a prophet)?

"Therefore let NO MAN glory in men...Whether paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come...ye are Christ's..." (1 Cor. 3:21-23)

Explain the martyrdom of Joseph Smith.

We did. (Colorcountry's explanation is historically accurate) As history has shown, some criminals have been unjustly lynched. [The lynching doesn't disprove they were criminals; only that the punishment didn't fit the crime] JoeSmith was a criminal from his Kirtland Bank $3 days on (and from that era's perpective, from his glass-looking days onward).

Explain why you and yours find “No Evidence” of Joseph as a prophet unless it is that there truly are none so blind as those who will not see.

Explain his false prophecies having to do with the temple to be built in Zion (Independence, MO) [D&C 84]. Explain why David Patten was never sent on the mission he was prophesied to go on in the D&C; but instead he died. For other prophecies he made, read History of the Prophet Joseph Smith and check his track record.

2,748 posted on 05/16/2007 3:33:58 PM PDT by Colofornian
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