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To: FastCoyote

“...because some of their president/prophets thought Adam was a God...”

I thought we dealt with this last week? The so-called “Adam-God Theory” is a misrepresentation, and is not LDS doctrine. It is based on a pretty liberal interpretation of a quote from Brigham Young - an interpretation that flies in the face of what he taught on many other occasions, suggesting to experts that he misspoke and/or was mistranscribed.

Please, when you receive information that your assertions are incorrect, take that information into account before spreading them again.


2,661 posted on 05/15/2007 10:50:57 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: tantiboh
"... suggesting to experts that he misspoke and/or was mistranscribed."

    I dunno, tantiboh, I just dunno...

    LDS says Young was a prophet, seer, revelator. Do prophets, seers and revelators "misspeak"? How can that be? And on a matter of such importance! I mean, surely the identity of the Creator of the Earth and Man is not a trivial item, right?

    And if Young had been "mistranslated," why did he not correct this error in the articles reporting and discussing his Adam-God pronouncement? He certainly had every opportunity to straighten things out.

    Afterall, the newspaper Millenial Star was controlled by the church that he headed. He read it all the time and approved its content. Why would he not correct a "mistranslation" of his sermon, a "mistranslation" that was repeated in that publication for well over a year?

    This is all very well-documented.

    As that great prophet Casey Stengel said, "You could look it up!"

    Taking Casey's advice, you will find it in Journal of Discourses, v. 1, pp. 50-51.

"... when you receive information that your assertions are incorrect..."

    But what do we do when we receive information that the assertion is correct?...

    Such as the following, duly sourced and documented at the article linked above. You could look this up, too! (Right, Casey?)
    ___________________________________________________________

    In a letter dated May 11, 1966, Apostle LeGrand Richards wrote: "Your third question: 'Is the Adam God Doctrine, as taught in the Journal of Discourses, true?' Answer: No." Some of the Mormon leaders now claim that Brigham Young was misquoted. This claim is completely untrue. Rodney Turner, who now teaches religion at Brigham Young University, feels that it is impossible to maintain such a position:

    Was Brigham Young Misquoted? It is the writer's opinion that the answer to this question is a categorical no. There is not the slightest evidence from Brigham Young, or any other source, that either his original remarks on April 9, 1852, or any of his subsequent statements were ever misquoted in the official publications of the Church. . . .

    In the light of Brigham Young's attitude toward the errors of others, and in view of the division created by his remarks concerning Adam, it would be stretching one's credulity to the breaking point to believe that he would have remained silent had he been misquoted. . . . The complete absence of any real evidence to the contrary obliges the writer to conclude that Brigham Young has not been misquated in the official publications of the Church ("The Position of Adam in Latter-day Saint Scripture and Theology," M.A. thesis, BYU, pp.45-47).

    On page 58 of the same thesis, Rodney Turner declares: "A careful, detached study of his available statements, as found in the official publications of the Church, will admit of no other conclusion than that the identification of Adam with God the Father by President Brigham Young is an irrefutable fact."


2,664 posted on 05/15/2007 11:30:54 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: tantiboh
I just gotta, gotta tell ya, tantiboh.

Young said it.

And he defended his Adam-God revelation for years.

Here he is years after that sermon, still defending it --

    Brigham Young's Adam-God doctrine met with opposition both within and without the church. In October 1857 he stated: "Some have grumbled because I believe our God to be so near to us as Father Adam. There are many who know that doctrine to be true" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p.331).

You see, I'm a confused guy. Young says he said it. The Millenial Star, in many articles, says he said it. The Journal of Discourses of LDS, says he said it. A Brigham Young University scholar says he said it.

But you and few church leaders tells us he didn't say it.

Who are we gonna believe?

No, I'm not gonna pray and ask God, because I already know what he's gonna say. He's gonna look at me through one eye and say, "Didn't I give you common sense?" And I don't want to hear that. I've heard too many times as it is.

2,666 posted on 05/16/2007 12:01:34 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: tantiboh

“Please, when you receive information that your assertions are incorrect, take that information into account before spreading them again.”

Come now, you have been shown many a fact that knocks the knees out of Mormon pillars and have not budged an inch, so why expect more of me.

But you distort the situation again, you don’t negate what I said about the Adam-God theory but only ascribe to it a lesser role. Another revelation that it was revealed was not a revelation except for those who believed the revelation.


2,673 posted on 05/16/2007 1:10:28 AM PDT by FastCoyote
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