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To: tantiboh; FastCoyote
We believe that the Celestial Kingdom - what you refer to as “heaven” - is attainable to EVERYBODY who follows Christ as best as they know how. Be that person Mormon, Orthodox Christian, Muslim, or pagan Bushman.

"attainable to EVERYBODY who follows Christ as best as they know how". Did you leave something out of this phrase?

If not,what is the need for the baptism and other ordinances done by mormons for the dead? Is it not true that if one were not to take part in these ordinances while living they MUST accept them in the afterlife in order to enter the CK, or Heaven"?

It has been stated many times by apologists that this acceptance is a "choice" given to the dead, but the caveat "the spirit cannot enter the celestial kingdom unless they make the correct 'choice' and accept those ordinances" is not included in those statements.

As stryker would say, "Sheesh"

2,194 posted on 05/11/2007 9:20:01 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Fred sez "I'm not interested in being the tallest midget in the room.." RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: greyfoxx39

For this very reason, GreyFoxx, God’s provisions for the extension of these blessings to those who never had a chance at them is a clear expression of His love, mercy, and justice for all of His children.


2,236 posted on 05/11/2007 4:58:31 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: greyfoxx39
If not,what is the need for the baptism and other ordinances done by mormons for the dead? Is it not true that if one were not to take part in these ordinances while living they MUST accept them in the afterlife in order to enter the CK, or Heaven"?

This may seem like double talk, but it's quite simple and quite just to a loving God. If someone is a good person, and knows not Christ (as there have been millions before and after Christ that fall into this realm) and because Christ ministers to the spirits in the prison world, if they are good, they will recognize him and know him. His sheep hear his voice, and follow him. The ordinances of baptism for the dead carry that message to fruition. We believe that now through the end of the millennium (1000 years past the 2nd coming), the work will be done for all mankind.

Hope this helps

2,285 posted on 05/11/2007 10:23:12 PM PDT by sevenbak (After the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers... Acts 24:14)
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