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Mouse brain simulated on computer
BBC ^ | 4/27/07

Posted on 04/28/2007 4:44:33 PM PDT by LibWhacker

The scientists ran a "cortical simulator" that was as big and as complex as half of a mouse brain on the BlueGene L supercomputer.

In other smaller simulations the researchers say they have seen characteristics of thought patterns observed in real mouse brains.

Now the team is tuning the simulation to make it run faster and to make it more like a real mouse brain.

Life signs

Brain tissue presents a huge problem for simulation because of its complexity and the sheer number of potential interactions between the elements involved.

The three researchers, James Frye, Rajagopal Ananthanarayanan, and Dharmendra S Modha, laid out how they went about it in a very short research note entitled "Towards Real-Time, Mouse-Scale Cortical Simulations".

Half a real mouse brain is thought to have about eight million neurons each one of which can have up to 8,000 synapses, or connections, with other nerve fibres.

Modelling such a system, the trio wrote, puts "tremendous constraints on computation, communication and memory capacity of any computing platform".

The team, from the IBM Almaden Research Lab and the University of Nevada, ran the simulation on a BlueGene L supercomputer that had 4,096 processors, each one of which used 256MB of memory.

Using this machine the researchers created half a virtual mouse brain that had 8,000 neurons that had up to 6,300 synapses.

The vast complexity of the simulation meant that it was only run for ten seconds at a speed ten times slower than real life - the equivalent of one second in a real mouse brain.

On other smaller simulations the researchers said they had seen "biologically consistent dynamical properties" emerge as nerve impulses flowed through the virtual cortex.

In these other tests the team saw the groups of neurons form spontaneously into groups. They also saw nerves in the simulated synapses firing in a ways similar to the staggered, co-ordinated patterns seen in nature.

The researchers say that although the simulation shared some similarities with a mouse's mental make-up in terms of nerves and connections it lacked the structures seen in real mice brains.

Imposing such structures and getting the simulation to do useful work might be a much more difficult task than simply setting up the plumbing.

For future tests the team aims to speed up the simulation, make it more neurobiologically faithful, add structures seen in real mouse brains and make the responses of neurons and synapses more detailed.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: brain; computer; mouse; whataboutpinkie
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1 posted on 04/28/2007 4:44:35 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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Mouse brain simulated on computer

All right; who ELSE saw that headline and immediately thought of Howard Dean?

2 posted on 04/28/2007 4:46:59 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: LibWhacker

Mouse Brain....Eat...Sex...Eat....Sex


3 posted on 04/28/2007 4:48:51 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Taz Struck By Lightning Faces Battery Charge)
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To: LibWhacker

Only half? They should have started with something simpler, like Rosie O’Donnell’s brain.


4 posted on 04/28/2007 4:53:19 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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5 posted on 04/28/2007 4:58:44 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

Ah! I see you understand the question.


6 posted on 04/28/2007 5:00:13 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: LibWhacker

Considering how big they are, cockroaches can't have very big brains. And yet, some of the things cockroaches do (like playing dead) are downright clever.

Computers as clever as cockroaches would be scary.


7 posted on 04/28/2007 5:01:01 PM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: LibWhacker

I squeek, therefore I am.


8 posted on 04/28/2007 5:04:24 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: LibWhacker

But is it legal to turn it off? Or ethical?


9 posted on 04/28/2007 5:06:29 PM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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Mouse brain simulated on computer

Cool - so computer scientists have already achieved AI greater than the liberal mind! Awesome!

10 posted on 04/28/2007 5:09:37 PM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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And yet, some of the things cockroaches do (like playing dead) are downright clever.

They're remarkably patient, too. I have a couple in my basement that have been playing dead for months.

11 posted on 04/28/2007 5:15:11 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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And yet, some of the things cockroaches do (like playing dead) are downright clever.

...not when you use a follow-up whack...
12 posted on 04/28/2007 5:23:02 PM PDT by verum ago (The Iranian Space Agency: set phasers to jihad!)
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To: Raycpa

LOL


13 posted on 04/28/2007 5:24:03 PM PDT by chaos_5
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To: TASMANIANRED
eat

We feed all our field mice when they come to visit.

Unfortunately for them it is mouse poison.

So let's hope this machine is smarter than all the dead mice. :-)


14 posted on 04/28/2007 5:26:51 PM PDT by cgbg (Help! I am a prisoner in LKOT (Leftist Kook Occupied Territory.))
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Mouse Brain....Eat...Sex...Eat....Sex

You missed part of the article. The article said "half the brain of a mouse", which means half the smarts of a mouse. Therefore, instead of "eat, sex, eat, sex", it would be "eat, eat, eat, eat". Which would mean that if all they do is "eat" and have no sex, they would go extinct. Same for the reverse: "sex, sex, sex", which would cause them to die of hunger.
15 posted on 04/28/2007 5:39:34 PM PDT by adorno
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I thought that was Bill Clinton’s brain?


16 posted on 04/28/2007 5:48:53 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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Can it sing Daisy?


17 posted on 04/28/2007 5:53:00 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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Mouse brain simulated on computer


18 posted on 04/28/2007 5:56:58 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (The most dangerous place in the world is between Hillary and the Oval Office)
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There are groups trying to simulate brain function, and there are other groups trying to use biological tissues themselves to perform fast calculations (biocomputation, including DNA computing and neurocomputers aka "wetware").

On a much smaller scale, another "complementary pairing" is the use of computation to simulate atomic, molecular, surface, and bulk physics and chemistry (quantum Monte Carlo, density functional theory); the flip side, if you will, is the use of atomic/molecular systems themselves to perform calculations (quantum computation).

19 posted on 04/28/2007 6:09:38 PM PDT by M203M4 (Constitutional Republic has a nice ring to it - alas, it's incompatible with the communist manifesto)
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Their simulated half-mouse brain is no match for the mousetrap simulation I have ready to unleash on it. It is a FULL mousetrap. Heh, heh! I cheat.


20 posted on 04/28/2007 6:46:58 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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