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Physicists bid farewell to reality?
Nature ^ | 4/18/07 | Philip Ball

Posted on 04/19/2007 5:36:46 PM PDT by LibWhacker

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To: LibWhacker

Interesting.

While Bell is generally applauded for the inequality, it might be that in the long run, the more important part was the proof that there can be no “hidden variable” theory that is compatable with QM. The epistemological implications are impressive and scary at the same time.

If a Pterosaur appeared on your porch, scooped up one of your youngsters and flew away, it looks like that, by itself, would not violate any physical laws.


21 posted on 04/19/2007 5:52:19 PM PDT by djf (Free men own guns, slaves do not!)
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To: LibWhacker

I knew the world was strange before I read this.


22 posted on 04/19/2007 5:52:28 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Drango

LOL!


23 posted on 04/19/2007 5:54:36 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior and Founding Member of Darwin Central)
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To: LibWhacker

It’s a lotta BS. Just because their statistics don’t come out, they conclude that the universe is bazaar beyond belief. They never consider that they might simply be missing a key part of the puzzle which skews all of the results.


24 posted on 04/19/2007 5:56:34 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: LibWhacker
Measuring the quantum properties of pairs of light particles (photons) pumped out by a laser has convinced Zeilinger that "we have to give up the idea ... that a book contains the works of Shakespeare"

Oh please....

25 posted on 04/19/2007 6:00:36 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: needlenose_neely

It all depends on what the meaning of is is.


26 posted on 04/19/2007 6:02:14 PM PDT by maxsand
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To: LibWhacker
The Copenhagen Interpretation is eighty years old. Seems like physics now is just an academic exercise to fill in the details and confirm the genius of great minds long dead.
27 posted on 04/19/2007 6:02:15 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: djf

And we wouldn’t know what color it was. However the kids shouldn’t have been on the porch.

anyone; any ideas on how this theory might explain ghosts?


28 posted on 04/19/2007 6:03:44 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

However the kids shouldn’t have been on the porch

LOL! That’ll teach them! They weren’t even done with their homework yet!

But on the positive side, they’ll learn a whole lot about Pterosaur biology and habitat!


29 posted on 04/19/2007 6:08:29 PM PDT by djf (Free men own guns, slaves do not!)
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To: LibWhacker

What about the recent episode on Discovery Science about Supermassive Black Holes? That, was one wow! of an eye-opener. Like, now they can prove a super massive black hole created our universe.


30 posted on 04/19/2007 6:08:41 PM PDT by onyx eyes (Think good things; and, good things will happen.)
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To: maxsand
Is it is or is it ain't.

No one can tell fo sho now

31 posted on 04/19/2007 6:18:04 PM PDT by needlenose_neely
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To: martin_fierro
I would be much more impressed if your link worked this way.
32 posted on 04/19/2007 6:20:01 PM PDT by sig226 (Where did my tag line go?)
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To: LibWhacker

Someone is going to have to come up with something new, because this seems to be getting to weird.


33 posted on 04/19/2007 6:20:57 PM PDT by sig226 (Where did my tag line go?)
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To: sig226

Fascinating.


34 posted on 04/19/2007 6:21:23 PM PDT by sig226 (Where did my tag line go?)
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To: lepton
Yesterday's thread. This is today's thread. Popular article for something that gives us such depth of understanding of nothing, nothing, and more nothing.

I think I'll go crystalize in a 5 dimension form.

35 posted on 04/19/2007 6:23:18 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: LibWhacker

I wondered why my dog morphed into a Klingon before accelerating into that worm hole in the 7th dimension. I guess this doesn’t explain it because nobody is typing this in a quantum mechanical sense.


36 posted on 04/19/2007 6:25:50 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Dead Ráibéad)
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To: woofie
Actually, it's usually black but it goes through these (-) reversals on occasions... Oh drat! It's going to be this kind of day isn't it now?
37 posted on 04/19/2007 6:29:27 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Dead Ráibéad)
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To: LibWhacker
Quantum mechanics works out in so many ways and explains so many difficult things that I don't think there is any doubt anymore that it is reality. My personal view is that it is just the result of looking so closely into reality that you reach the final "why," the end of what can be answered deterministically. It has to happen at some point, if you think about it. There can't be an infinite regress of cause and effect. The scale we live at, human scale, is close enough to that of the "final why" that we've been able to build machines that can penetrate the deterministic regress and small enough to fit into a township-size area (I'm thinking here of the big synchrotrons at CERN and FermiLab).

The problem arises when pseudo-intellectual idiots get hold of something as beautiful and mysterious as quantum mechanics and try to pack humanism on to the back of the sleigh. Because the location of a subatomic particle can not be determined, right and wrong cannot be determined. Because a particle can be in two places at the same time, a person can be sane and insane at the same time. Because the state of a particle depends on the state of the observer, the meaning of "good" and "evil" depend on the cultural background of the person observing and describing these characteristics.

I think that liberalism (or perhaps I should say "humanism") is intensely jealous of the success of science, especially the science of the atomic age, the science of post-WWII western society. I believe that at least some strains of liberalism arose from intellectual poseurs who attempted to transpose the successful concepts of the hard sciences, physics in particular, onto moral philosophy and ethics. Much foolishness was the result and, to the extent that this foolishness has made it out of the effite precincts of academe and into the public square, in the form of laws and institutions, a cataract of pain, suffering, and injustice has been loosed on the world.

38 posted on 04/19/2007 6:29:38 PM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: Frank Sheed

Actually, by the where/when you reach the seventh dimension, there are no holes into which you can enter, just branes.


39 posted on 04/19/2007 6:31:15 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN

Thanks, that’s hugh! It totally stuned my beeber!


40 posted on 04/19/2007 6:34:47 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Dead Ráibéad)
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