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Rudy showing off his flip side
NY Daily News ^ | 4/19/07 | DAVID SALTONSTALL and CELESTE KATZ

Posted on 04/19/2007 5:04:03 PM PDT by pissant

Presidential contender Rudy Giuliani apparently believes change is good - at least that's the way it looks with his subtle shifts to the right on major issues like abortion, gun control and taxation in recent weeks.

It happened again yesterday - the pro-choice Giuliani was quick to applaud the Supreme Court ruling upholding a partial-birth abortion ban, calling it "the correct conclusion."

But when he was preparing to run against Sen. Hillary Clinton in 2000, Giuliani opposed a partial-birth abortion ban for New York, saying he would "preserve the option for women" and that he did not foresee ever changing his view.

Team Giuliani now says the Republican hopeful backs a ban that "includes an appropriate exception for threats to the life of the mother," and that additional medical evidence included as part of the 2003 law shaped his views.

Experts say Giuliani is not so much flip-flopping on his core beliefs as he is parsing his stances to comfort conservatives, and he's doing it sooner rather than later.

"He is fine-tuning his message," said Steffen Schmidt, a political science professor at Iowa State University. "The problem with that is that he does open himself up to all those flip-flop ads, comparing what he said then to what he says now."

The calculus has divided Giuliani into the old Rudy and the new Rudy.

Just this week, Giuliani said the Virginia Tech tragedy "does not alter the Second Amendment." Since he began running for President, he has said he believes states should have the power to set gun laws.

But as mayor and as a Senate candidate before dropping out for health reasons, Giuliani strongly favored mandatory federal licensing of handguns, and backed an assault weapon ban and a waiting period for gun purchases.

(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: desperatesmear; elections; flipflop; giuliani; rudy; rudyonabortion; rudyonguns; stoprudy2008
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Kerry-esque. Though Kerry could feign more enthusiasm for his lies.
1 posted on 04/19/2007 5:04:07 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

Just a week ago he said it was a “right” and that if poor women could not afford their constitutional PBA then the taxpayers should fund it. He’s a lying abortionist socialist pig.


2 posted on 04/19/2007 5:09:58 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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I think Rino Rudy is the only man alive who can make John F. Kerry look intellectually consistent.


3 posted on 04/19/2007 5:10:30 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: Jim Robinson

You forgot “gun grabbing, hate crimes promoting, global warming believing, 4th amendment violating, eminent domain abusing, gay agenda pushing, tobacco suing....” in your description.


4 posted on 04/19/2007 5:13:49 PM PDT by pissant
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I'm waiting for some Rudybot to jump in and respond that he is our lying abortionist socialist pig, so we must all support him when he gets the nomination.
5 posted on 04/19/2007 5:14:25 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: SmoothTalker; Jim Robinson

His backers here alternately praise Rudy for not changing to get elected, and for saying things that go against his entire history. His mind is a clusterf*ck of incoherence.


6 posted on 04/19/2007 5:15:47 PM PDT by pissant
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I think he could kill somebody on national TV and the rudybots would still be with him. I’m blown away that some on a supposedly conservative website could support a guy with his positions. I’m stunned some can support such a flip-flopper. And i’m stunned some can support a guy with a personal life that is positively Clintonesque. Any one of those three should be enough to make you find someone else to support.


7 posted on 04/19/2007 5:20:37 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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Okay. I’ll support Fred Thompson if he runs. I’ll vote for him in the primary. I know Fred will stand up to militant Islam and stare down the appeaser Jackasses. I know Fred is the social and fiscal conservative I want. But I have two questions. Can he beat Hillary? Will he fight the Global War with the bulldog tenacity required to win? I have my doubts. Can Rudy? I believe he can and will. If you want everything 100% to your liking in a presidential candidate—expect another Clinton presidency.


8 posted on 04/19/2007 5:22:48 PM PDT by Combat_Liberalism
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Maybe if he flops on global warming or the gay agenda, they might look for a different liberal to support.


9 posted on 04/19/2007 5:23:27 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Combat_Liberalism

If I want another clinton presidency, I’ll vote for the guy who seems just like him. Rudy.


10 posted on 04/19/2007 5:25:18 PM PDT by pissant
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The scary part is that--just like the Demo candidate will move to the right after being nominated, JulieAnnie will move even further left if he is nominated.

If you want to split our Party WIDE OPEN--JulieAnnie is JUST THE MAN FOR THE JOB! Liberals like JulieAnnie should be 'safe, legal and rare'.

11 posted on 04/19/2007 5:26:20 PM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative nominee who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DIVIDE it!)
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And in the democrat party only.


12 posted on 04/19/2007 5:27:42 PM PDT by pissant
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“He is fine-tuning his message,” said Steffen Schmidt, a political science professor at Iowa State University.

What Steffen meant to say was; He is trying to get his story straight so by the time the debates begin he will not stumble with his lies.


13 posted on 04/19/2007 5:30:04 PM PDT by mmanager (Pray for the Flux Capacitor - Lib's can go back into time and abort themselves.)
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His backers here alternately praise Rudy for not changing to get elected, and for saying things that go against his entire history.

Hey, triangulation worked before. Makes a candidate electable doncha know.

One lesson from the War Room apparently not lost on the GOP's social liberals.

14 posted on 04/19/2007 5:30:12 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: mmanager

Bingo


15 posted on 04/19/2007 5:30:47 PM PDT by pissant
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To: skeeter

Works well in the general....maybe. Even Clinton needed Ross Perot.


16 posted on 04/19/2007 5:31:12 PM PDT by pissant
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To: SmoothTalker

yep


17 posted on 04/19/2007 5:32:49 PM PDT by chasio649
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To: pissant
Works well in the general....maybe.

Thats what the party's number crunchers think anyway.

But we know what would work better.

18 posted on 04/19/2007 5:33:53 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Combat_Liberalism

“If you want everything 100% to your liking in a presidential candidate”

And what % will conservatives get from rino rudy?


19 posted on 04/19/2007 5:33:58 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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From reading the headline, I thought maybe Rudy was flipping off his show side, or his off side if you will.

Sorry, I want a more wholly conservative candidate. Rudy ain't it.

As someone just said; going this route: he might make John F'in Kerry look intellectually consistent.

And that's damn hard to do!

20 posted on 04/19/2007 5:36:53 PM PDT by AFreeBird (This space for rent. Inquire within)
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