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Shots fired at Virginia Tech (AP: 33 dead, 15 wounded) ^

Posted on 04/16/2007 7:14:16 AM PDT by LexHoskin

Gunman on Campus; Stay inside your building, away from windows; Shooting incident at West Ambler Johnston Hall

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TOPICS: Breaking News; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; rkba; secondamendment; selfdefense; vatech; virginiatech
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To: Moose4
Iowa State is of similar size, and shortly after I left a kid got stabbed at a party (big drunken VEISHA party). The area was sealed pretty fast, and this was with 50k extra people in town.

You can cancel classes for this stuff, it is done all the time. Something doesn’t add up.

2,041 posted on 04/16/2007 1:59:59 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: meg88

the ballistics will tell them that pretty quickly.

2,042 posted on 04/16/2007 2:00:17 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: WisdaGr8st
the people of virgina now know that you can’t elect an america hating dimocRAT to the senate and not receive any consquences.

Chewed through the straps again, Mr. Robertson?

2,043 posted on 04/16/2007 2:00:17 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: relee

“Q. Is one of the deceased from that first shooting the shooter’s girlfriend?

A. I do not think so.


I heard that. If so, then the story I got is wrong. Not that I’m surprised considering.

2,044 posted on 04/16/2007 2:00:35 PM PDT by gracesdad
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To: Lazamataz

OMG. She asked if they have a policy for determining whether to lock the campus down and they couldn’t answer! Where did the university find these people, the Sears catalog?

2,045 posted on 04/16/2007 2:00:45 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Earth to libs: MARXISM DOESN'T SELL HERE. Try somewhere else.)
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To: Lazamataz
If there might be a 2nd shooter, they'd BETTER F***ING WELL BE LOOKING FOR HIM!

And they want me to give up my guns so I can be protected by THIS???!?

Yes they do .... now, report to rehab for going against the PC flow.

2,046 posted on 04/16/2007 2:00:59 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: floriduh voter
I saw the guy on all fours in custody. Is he now non-existent?

I think he was a guy from the college paper that the cops wanted out of the area ASAP.

2,047 posted on 04/16/2007 2:01:02 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: eyedigress

I meant the comments made early on after the incident that the two shootings were not related.

2,048 posted on 04/16/2007 2:01:14 PM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: LexHoskin

this is a fwd from an EMT : 26.2 : 4/16/07 3:43 PM
that is friends with a VT alum buddy of mine: “Guys,
Yes, I responded to assist with the shootings. Thanks to an overwhelming number of other responders, I didn’t treat any of the patients. However, I think I have a clearer version of the story than what has been released on the news. I’m not sure on the total body count though. While the news is currently reporting 22, I’ve heard as many as 40. As far as those injured, I have no idea. I do know that Montgomery Regional and NRV had to go on diversion because they were overwhelmed by numbers of patients.

Approximately 7 of the more critical patients were transported to Roanoke Memorial and Lewis-Gale. The shooter is among those dead. To the best of my understanding (from first-hand accounts) this all started with an ex-boyfriend finding his girlfriend in bed with another guy. He then shot them, killing the guy immediately and the girl died at RMH. The shooter then went to Norris hall and entered a classroom opening fire.

This does hit close to home on a number of levels. Everything from the fact that we all lived in that dorm to classes that we took in Norris Hall. It’s still hard for me to believe that something so tragic occured. It makes last August’s events with Morva look like child’s-play.”

2,049 posted on 04/16/2007 2:01:18 PM PDT by franky1
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes
I noticed this in April 1996 when the Valu Jet crashed in the swamp.

That was in May.

2,050 posted on 04/16/2007 2:01:27 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: relee
You get fingerprinted when you apply for a CCW

Not in the state of New Hampshire. It's 10 bucks for the background check, and the permit to carry soon follows, so long as you don't have a felony conviction.

2,051 posted on 04/16/2007 2:01:29 PM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: mware

that Columbine father was also on MSNBC earlier - he was very good. the coverup in the Columbine case is staggering.

2,052 posted on 04/16/2007 2:01:31 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: freeperfromnj

I’m really beginning to wonder, because a few things here don’t add up.

OK, so the West AJ shooting (7:15 am) sounds like a “domestic,” for lack of a better word. Boyfriend and girlfriend get in an argument, RA tries to break it up when it gets heated, boyfriend pulls out gun, shoots them both, flees. Now, this is a college dorm we’re talking about. You’re going to tell me that NOBODY out of 895 people in West AJ are going to know who so-and-so’s boyfriend is, and at least a little bit about where he might live? Not even “yeah, she started seeing this weird guy, his name’s Alphonse or Craig or something like that.” C’mon. I lived in a co-ed dorm for three years. There’s fewer secrets in a dorm than in the Clinton White House.

So anyway, that guy gets away. If he’s the same shooter, two hours and change later, he turns up at Norris with two guns and goes on his rampage. And people are now screaming “why wasn’t campus locked down?” I’ve been to Tech (a lot of friends of mine went there, and one still works there). It’s HUGE. It’s bigger than my hometown by a factor of twenty. It’s bigger than the town of Blacksburg itself, or at least more populous. How do you “lock down” what amounts to a small city? Especially when you’ve got twenty-five thousand undergrads and thousands of staff, faculty, and grad students trying to get an education and make a living? You just don’t “lock down” an institution of that size—especially with the relatively limited police resources that the university and the town of Blacksburg have. I’m actually surprised they managed to do it once the Norris Hall shootings happened.

It’s not a high school. You can’t just throw a switch and lock all the doors. There’s thousands of students flowing on and off campus every hour, and in fact the campus adjoins downtown Blacksburg’s main drag for a couple of blocks, with wide open access. I’ll agree that they may have been slow to understand what was going on, but honestly, why wouldn’t they be? To the campus cops and the Blacksburg PD, they had a domestic dispute and murder on their hands at 8:00 am. They had no way of knowing they were about to descend into hell two hours later.

Something, though, still doesn’t add up. Occam’s Razor says that these two shootings HAVE to be the same guy, because the odds against having two gun-toting nutburgers show up on that campus on the same day are one in a zillion. But the lack of ID of the perp makes me wonder.


2,053 posted on 04/16/2007 2:01:37 PM PDT by Moose4 (What's the difference between Mike Nifong and toast? Right about now, nothing.)
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To: Lazamataz
Hávamál 38.
Let a man never stir on his road a step
without his weapons of war;
for unsure is the knowing when
need shall arise
of a spear on the way without.

But as men intent upon hostility have associated themselves in military corps, it becomes your duty to associate likewise-Arm and organize yourselves immediately .... Do you wish to preserve your rights? Arm yourselves-Do you desire to secure your dwellings? Arm yourselves-Do you wish your wives and daughters protected? Arm yourselves-Do you wish to be defended against assassins or the Bully Rocks of faction? Arm yourselves-Do you desire to assemble in security to consult for your own good or the good of your country? Arm yourselves.-To arms, to arms, and you may then sit down contented, each man under his own vine and his own fig-tree and have no one to make him afraid....

If you are desirous to counteract a design pregnant with misery and ruin, then arm yourselves; for in a firm, imposing and dignified attitude, will consist your own security and that of your families-To arms, then to arms. "Mentor," Tench Coxe. AURORA (Phila.), May 21, 1799

2,054 posted on 04/16/2007 2:01:40 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: SuziQ

But why would the gunman spend the night at her dorm if he knew he was gonna go on a rampage the next day?

2,055 posted on 04/16/2007 2:01:50 PM PDT by meg88
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To: Pyro7480

The worst school massacre in American history wasn’t a college campus. Bath School in Bath, Michigan was destroyed via explosives in 1929, leaving 38 dead at the scene. Six more deaths, including the suicide of the perpetrator, were related to the incident.

2,056 posted on 04/16/2007 2:02:19 PM PDT by grellis (Femininist)
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To: Cyclopean Squid
......but obviously the gun nut SELF DEFENSE faction is far more vocal here on FR.

There, fixed it!!!! I am not a "gun nut" - I just care about protecting myself and those around me!

2,057 posted on 04/16/2007 2:02:21 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( ? Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: floriduh voter

I could be wrong, but I read earlier that the one shown arrested turned out to be a reporter for the school paper.

he was questioned and released.

2,058 posted on 04/16/2007 2:02:27 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Windcatcher

That’s my point.

If this truly was a lover’s quarrel gone out control, there’s no need for any investigation.

2,059 posted on 04/16/2007 2:02:29 PM PDT by Loyolas Mattman
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To: Tax-chick
I’ve always been impressed with your perspicacity, Laz.

Ma'am! I'll have you know I'm getting married, so keep your hands off my perspicacity! And all the parts around it, too!

If you’re right, I’ll tell everyone I agreed with you before it was cool :-).

To what do you actually refer? I've had a few observations about this situation.... I'd like to know which one impresses you....

2,060 posted on 04/16/2007 2:02:29 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Can’t the liberals start their own countries somewhere, and then surrender?)
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