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Einstein & Faith
Time.com ^ | April 5, 2007 | WALTER ISAACSON

Posted on 04/09/2007 9:19:00 AM PDT by bamahead

He was slow in learning how to talk. "My parents were so worried," he later recalled, "that they consulted a doctor."

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It may seem logical, in retrospect, that a combination of awe and rebellion made Einstein exceptional as a scientist. But what is less well known is that those two traits also combined to shape his spiritual journey and determine the nature of his faith....he rejected at first his parents' secularism and later the concepts of religious ritual and of a personal God who intercedes in the daily workings of the world. But the awe part comes in his 50s when he settled into a deism based on what he called the "spirit manifest in the laws of the universe" and a sincere belief in a "God who reveals Himself in the harmony of all that exists."

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You accept the historical existence of Jesus? "Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life."

Do you believe in God? "I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: einstein; faith; religion
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I found this to be a fascinating read. With all the scientists out there who routinely discount any religion and the existence of God, this guy was unquestionably THE most brilliant scientific mind in history, yet he refused to succumb to that black vs. white line of thinking of God vs no God. Rather, the simple organization and order of it all was enough evidence for him to keep some faith that there was a higher power at work.

I don't do many religious posts, but I thought this was worth sharing. I definitely not what you'd call a true believer in theories like Intelligent Design, but this was definitely an interesting viewpoint.

1 posted on 04/09/2007 9:19:01 AM PDT by bamahead
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To: bamahead; betty boop; Alamo-Girl
[ this guy was unquestionably THE most brilliant scientific mind in history, yet he refused to succumb to that black vs. white line of thinking of God vs no God. ]

As did his friend Neils Bohr..

2 posted on 04/09/2007 9:25:08 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: bamahead
My favorite Einstein quote:

"There are two ways to live your life:
One is though nothing is a miracle,
The other is as though everything is a miracle."
4 posted on 04/09/2007 9:42:50 AM PDT by philled (The Democrat's 'new vision' for Iraq looks a lot like Pol Pot wearing a turban...)
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To: Allan
Hindu Philosophy rings.

Toynbee said Hindus were Spinozists before Spinoza.

Maybe Einstein was Hinjew.

5 posted on 04/09/2007 9:45:33 AM PDT by ARridgerunner
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To: bamahead

Thank you for this great post...


6 posted on 04/09/2007 9:49:54 AM PDT by Kimmers (Coram Deo)
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To: Kimmers

Sure! It was one of those reads that really got my wheels turning on a Monday morning.

Coffee doesn’t seem to be working very well today ;)


7 posted on 04/09/2007 9:51:34 AM PDT by bamahead (“Diplomacy is the art of saying "Nice doggie" until you can find a rock.” -Will Rogers)
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To: hosepipe
I would love to spend some quality time with Stephen Hawking, to discuss his actual 'current' views on God and the universe. There is so much dissonance presently, it would be nice to get the correct version don'tchaknow. Might even be a book in the exercise. It would be sad to have Stephen pass away before getting a summary view. We average folk need to at least hear and consider the perspectives of the great minds, especially those contemporary to our lives! There used to be a series of video interviews with great minds in various fields. Wonder if I can find that link again?...
8 posted on 04/09/2007 9:51:44 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: rrc

“well, they cant possibly be ‘real’ scientists then, right?”

Nor can Gregor Johann Mendel, Austrian botanist and Roman Catholic priest, who established Mendel’s law, the basis of the modern scientific theory of heredity.
The “know-nothings” who believe in evolution will never admit that a large percentage of the giants of science were Christians. For them, history begins with their prophet, Darwin, and they are as zealous and close-minded as those who follow Mohammed.


9 posted on 04/09/2007 9:52:36 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: bamahead

I am going to pass this on to my minister. He often talks about faith and science.


10 posted on 04/09/2007 9:55:07 AM PDT by Kimmers (Coram Deo)
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I would love to spend some quality time with Stephen Hawking, to discuss his actual 'current' views on God and the universe.

A Christian astrophysicist friend of mine (Dr. Hugh Ross) knows Hawking personally and described to me several years ago Hawking's spiritual journey. Hugh said Hawking's wife (Jane?) is a Christian who prayed unceasingly for Steven's salvation but was ever thwarted. Sadly, they have since divorced. I don't have anything more recent.

12 posted on 04/09/2007 9:58:00 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God is, and (2) God is good?)
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Bump for later. Most of the great scientists were quite devout. You can't help but look a the sheer mind-boggling immensity of the Universe and the simple but complex beauty of DNA and life and not feel the hand of God. Certainly, we are but looking into just an infinitesimal fraction of God's Mind.
13 posted on 04/09/2007 10:02:13 AM PDT by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: Hebrews 11:6

I’ve corresponded with him indirectly, through the library staff in faxes years ago, but the topic of his religious beliefs was never a topic. I guess I’m getting old, to be interested more in his faith than his physics. But then, isn’t it all cosmology in the end? I think I’ll add him to my prayer list.


14 posted on 04/09/2007 10:03:46 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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yet he refused to succumb to that black vs. white line of thinking of God vs no God.

Where in the world did you get that?
15 posted on 04/09/2007 10:05:07 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: bamahead

BTTT


16 posted on 04/09/2007 10:17:36 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: bamahead
Relax...The entire universe is merely an illusion....A projection of the collective mind....Think of it in terms of a vivid hologram or dream. Wake up America! Create a great day.
17 posted on 04/09/2007 10:21:59 AM PDT by mosaicwolf
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To: Kimmers

I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it otherwise; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls.

-Albert Einstein (The World as I See It, 1949

How about giving your minister this quaote also


18 posted on 04/09/2007 10:24:55 AM PDT by hurly (A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds!)
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To: Clock King

The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no more than a symptom of weakness and confusion. Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions, and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seem to me to be empty and devoid of meaning.
The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. The religion which based on experience, which refuses dogmatic. If there’s any religion that would cope the scientific needs it will be Buddhism....
If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.
The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge.
Immortality? There are two kinds. The first lives in the imagination of the people, and is thus an illusion. There is a relative immortality which may conserve the memory of an individual for some generations. But there is only one true immortality, on a cosmic scale, and that is the immortality of the cosmos itself. There is no other.
— Albert Einstein, quoted in Madalyn Murray O’Hair, All the Questions You Ever Wanted to Ask American Atheists (1982) vol. ii., p. 29

Had to add this in also. Seem like Albert liked Buddhism the best.


19 posted on 04/09/2007 10:31:57 AM PDT by hurly (A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds!)
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To: hurly

“Seem(s) like Albert liked Buddhism the best.”
This is the impression I got also! Maybe he was a Buddhist in a previous life!


20 posted on 04/09/2007 10:43:57 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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