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Giuliani not fit for the White House: poll (Go Rudy!!)
New York Business ^ | March 21, 2007 | Kira Bindrim

Posted on 03/21/2007 5:04:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cincinatus' Wife; areafiftyone; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; Grampa Dave
Mr. Giuliani set himself up as an arts arbiter by threatening to cut funding for a local museum because of a painting he labeled antireligious.

Oh, isn't that precious: a painting he labeled antireligious--

Uh, wrong, the painting did a swell job of labeling itself not only antireligious but crap.

And Rudy had the guts to smack the museum causing all the crappy antireligious fairies to shriek at ear-shattering decibels.

He is my kind of guy.

261 posted on 03/21/2007 9:08:17 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo

More people trying to re-write history.

262 posted on 03/21/2007 9:33:10 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Repub4bush

Hear hear!

263 posted on 03/21/2007 9:52:06 PM PDT by My2Cents
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To: The_Eaglet

Thanks.. I'll never understand why Rudy hasn't joined the Democratic Party unless he is in the GOP simply to finish it off.

266 posted on 03/21/2007 11:58:40 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Kool Aid! The popular American favorite drink now Made In Mexico. Pro-Open Borders? Drink Up!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Just voted in their new poll!

The state Legislature approved changing New York’s presidential primary to Feb. 5 from March 4, joining as many as 20 other states. Do you support the move?

My comment:

"I'd prefer not to have you ankle grabbing Blue Staters influencing the nominations for a queer smooching cross dresser and a bull dyke rapist enabler."

267 posted on 03/22/2007 12:09:54 AM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: JMack

This forum is but a microcosm of the split that Rudy will bring to the Republican party. Election night November 2008 will not be pretty.

268 posted on 03/22/2007 12:14:03 AM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: Hildy

Why would he fight with a media that he agrees with 90% of the time?

269 posted on 03/22/2007 12:15:30 AM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: Repub4bush

Thank you for posting.

270 posted on 03/22/2007 1:05:31 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: JMack

"do not bemoan Rudy fleeing, I bemoan him ordering everyone stay behind, while he saved his own ass."

Your words you smear Rudy and do this whole

"We're all pro-America Republicans here, yet we are at each other's throats when Rudy comes up" tap dance.

Look in the mirror.

271 posted on 03/22/2007 1:22:36 AM PDT by Blackirish
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Clinton was not an unknown prior to nomination. He was well known to those wanting to push the poseur into the WH.

Yes we've already established that the political insiders knew who he was - this was never in dispute, but the average man on the street had never heard of him.

There is no comparison in his "fame" and the unknowns being hailed as saviours here.

This is a matter of your opinion, you can state all day long that the sun rises in the west, but it just ain't so.

272 posted on 03/22/2007 4:17:58 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

And I thought Liberalism was a MENTAL disorder. LOL

273 posted on 03/22/2007 4:22:17 AM PDT by Gracey (Rudy/Rice..... 2008 vs Hitlary/Osama Obama)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
By the way, Rudy hasn't asked for a repeal of the right to bear arm

Wrong again. Julie Annie wants registration and government permission for gun ownership. If something is a right, you don't have to have the government's permissiion to exercise it. By advocating the need for government permission, Guiliani has advocated turning a fundamental right into a government granted privilege. So yes, he has asked for a repeal of the Right to keep and bear arms and has proposed replacing it with the Privilege to keep and bear arms. And we all know (or should know) that a privilege can be revoked at any time for any reason or no reason at all.

274 posted on 03/22/2007 4:23:30 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: My2Cents

I have asked this before but didn't receive an answer. How do you access the FR daily poll?

275 posted on 03/22/2007 4:41:32 AM PDT by upcountry miss
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To: JMack
I am most definitely not a Rudy supporter (ask anyone).

What I am is someone who has detested this revisionist history and warmed-over 9/11 conspiracy crap since it first raised its head on 9/12/01. I hate to see this stuff entering the campaign now when there are so many perfectly good REAL reasons to oppose Rudy. Frankly I wish that people who espouse this line of thinking would get the hell off my side. They ain't helpin'.

And I did not insult you. Your last post pretty much confirms that you DID in fact "dream up" some of this stuff and add it on to your recollection of events. That's not my fault.

There are a few points in your post that need addressing. I'll do it after I've had some coffee.

276 posted on 03/22/2007 4:54:44 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Element187
How is this a bad thing??

It's a bad thing for us if he decides after he is elected that he wants to go back to his liberal roots. Then it will be his liberal ways or the highway for conservatives.

277 posted on 03/22/2007 4:58:18 AM PDT by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: upcountry miss

The poll should be at the bottom of your FR sidebar.

If it's not there, you can probably reconfigure your sidebar by clicking "More" in the upper right-hand corner and looking at your options.

278 posted on 03/22/2007 5:00:08 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: nevergore
I could see Guiliani in a cabinet position, maybe even VP, but not as president.

Keeping Rudy as far away from the oval office as possible would be much better.

I know there are those who say that Rudy can beat Hitlery and that's why we must get behind him.

I threw my Rudy Club envelope in the shredder this week and sent Tancredo $100. I'll write another check when Fred Thompson announces.

Fred can beat la Hitlery hands down! And, when it comes to that, so can Tancredo because I believe that the majority of "Americans" want strong action in respect to the invasion of the illegal criminals from Mexico and will elect the loudest adherent of such action.

279 posted on 03/22/2007 5:00:53 AM PDT by mborman
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To: from occupied ga; All

Poll respondents comment on Giuliani

Published: March 21, 2007 - 2:46 pm

A majority of respondents to a Crain's online poll agree with columnist Alair Townsend, who wrote in this week's issue that former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani doesn't have the temperament to be an effective president. Nearly 68% of 1,303 poll respondents believe that Mr. Giuliani would be too abrasive for the White House, while 32% said his style would translate well. Here are some of respondents’ comments:

“Who does Townsend think she's kidding? She never voted – ever, for Giuliani. How soon we forget post 9/11, and the leadership qualities that Giuliani displayed! Speaking about changes in Washington, just look at the new majority(s) track record to date, no constructive plans for war, the economy, or the safety of our country, especially the border issues. Townsend needs to get a life and be more objective about important national issues.” --Vincent Mocerino

“Rudy's 'my way or the highway' style will lead to gridlock in D.C.” --Andrew Kelman

“Our country and every country need a decision maker that will stick it in your eye. Is there any other style that the bad guys understand?” --M. Philip Butler

“We need a decision maker in Washington, a person not afraid of the job. If he cocks up he will not be re-elected. Washington is full of compromise, we need action. He is a quick study and has guts.” --August Spieler

“Alair Townsend has no concept of what it takes to get things done. Decisive leadership often causes a great deal of friction. Rudy would be a breath of fresh air in the White House.” --Rob Salvatico

“So, most New Yorkers that answered this poll didn't like him. Let's remember 2004 when most NYers said ‘...everyone voted for Kerry.’ NYC is not the U.S. and the U.S. is not NYC. His message plays well in Pioria. You have to look beyond the concrete canyons of NYC to see what the rest of the U.S. is thinking.” --J. S. Ghanooni

“You phrase the question negatively, which introduces a bias. Giuliani is an effective and proven leader. The question should be ‘Do Nancy Pelosi, John Murtha and Charles Rangel have the temperament to work constructively with any Republican in the White House?’” --Bruce Kowal

“When he was mayor, Giuliani thought City Hall belonged to him. The public was not even allowed on the steps to disagree with him. He has absolutely no diplomacy skills. And I believe any mayor would have performed as well on 9/11. Of course, he stood out, as our President was mainly absent.” --Georgia Allen

“The country certainly doesn't need another self-righteous ass in the White House. It will already take generations to unravel the mess that has been created for the U.S. and the rest of the world from this way of thinking.” --J. Weston

“I think what people are overlooking is just how screwed-up NYC was when Rudy took over. He did the hard job with crime, the schools and fiscal responsibility which we all still benefit from, regardless of the levels of ingratitude.” --Tom Rossman

“We are at war with implacable enemies. At home, the liberals and Democrats have become implacable enemies. G.W. Bush has demonstrated that ‘nice’ fails. Giuliani has proven that ‘tough’ works. We need effectiveness!” --Bob Doocey

“I think Rudy would be an excellent president. We need someone to stick up for America and go on the offensive. We are constantly being undermined by the liberals who do not have the perseverance to see anything through except give-away programs.” --Woody Forns

“We forget how argumentative and divisive he was as mayor of NYC until 9/11. His press conferences were curt and if he didn't like your question you were challenged as to the validity of it. I think he stepped up to the job he was elected to do only at the time of a tragedy. I don't think he is a consolidator, I think he is a divider.” --Robert Nadel

“With all due respects to Ms. Townsend, it is precisely Mr. Giuliani's style (does not work well with others) that effectively saved NYC. Washington could use a similar dose. As far as his personality goes, think of the alternatives, Ms. Clinton, etc.” --Richard P. Roberts

“The nation needs to know the pre-9/11 Rudy. The Rudy myth must be busted. Without 9/11 as a backdrop, Rudy would just have been a two-term mayor of New York City and at the end of his administration he would have just faded away.” --Arnold Korotkin

“Having a choice between a war and a public relations war, the Democrats chose the latter. They are getting close to their wishes with their war of words and the world will be a poorer place because of them.” --Guy Horne

“Apparently the ultra liberals are running this poll and feel that Mayor Giuliani is not the man. I feel differently because he knows how to make decisions in a very hard world filled with tough people.” --Joseph DiMauro

“I'm not sure being mayor of New York translates well to being president. As one who thinks that flexibility is the hallmark of a good president, Giuliani has consistently shown himself to be a good prosecutor, and good at displaying leadership in crises, but not at working well with others at all. Even when responding to crises, he had to define the terms himself, and decidedly did not share effort or credit with others.” --T. Kevin Sayama

“I hope sooner than later we will learn of his failures of the past while he was Mayor.” --Rose W. Garden

“He comes across more like a bully rather than a politician. I do not think he can hear other people's opinions to be an effective politician.” --Minh-Trang H. Tran

Rudy Giuliani was mayor of Manhattan! He could care less about the other boroughs when he was mayor. As for 9/11 he was in the right place at the right time.” --M.F.Pedone

“Aside from his temperament, no one should ever forget that when Mayor Dinkins was still in office, Giuliani incited a police riot on the steps of City Hall, with cops waving plungers and signs calling Dinkins a ‘washroom attendant.’ Of course, once Giuliani himself was safely established in City Hall, he surrounded it with a monstrous iron fence, citing "security" concerns. Yeah, right.” --Kathryn Giaimo

“Rudy does not have the ability to work with others It is his way or no way. His changes on positions are troublesome as he can not be counted on to lead a country that is desperately in need of new leadership. The decisions he made as Mayor were not in the best interests of NYC and on September 10th his days were numbered and was leaving with a poor record -- then came 9/11. Finally, little coverage has been given to his decision to have the Office of Emergency Services located at World Trade and store fuel there, which was against the Fire Department’s recommendation -- he does not listen; it is not just that he is abrasive.” --Elaine Walsh

“Plus his frivolous lawsuits cost this city dearly and his stubborn insistence on putting the Office of Emergency Management in the WTC is too often forgotten. He was not a very good Mayor." --Lois C. Schwartz

“I don't understand why people think Rudy is so great. Do we want another pompous person in the White House?” --Kristine Simms

“One of his reasons for wanting to run for president, though he would never admit to it, is he wants to get back at Hilary. This guy's nastiness just never ends.” --David Korabik

“If there's one thing we should have learned from the current administration, it's the tragic risks we face when our leaders fail to listen to divergent views. For the sake of the nation we need to get as far from the ‘my way or the highway’ thinking we're now mired in as possible. Unfortunately, Rudy won't get us there.” --Bill Melville

“Knowing how he dealt with the issue and the people in NYC prior to 9/11, I feel he is totally unfit for public office." --Linda Blyer

“With Rudy in the White House, we'd pine for the days when we could laugh at George W. Giuliani is an opinionated martinet, a combination of Dick Cheney's style and Bush's substance. Thank you, no.” --Michael Hirsch

“People should learn from his leadership, and understand more deeply what he did to coordinate the 9/11 Commission: what effect the integral communication strategy had on the diverse agencies, the different secretariats, and the distinct personnel; what kind of effort he made to mobilize, to motivate, and to help. In other words his leadership should be analyzed further by academics, specialists and professionals to elaborate on new plans, develop new projects, and write new initiatives of law.” --Carlos Romo Toriello

280 posted on 03/22/2007 5:07:19 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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