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Dear Kool-Aid Drinking Elephants & Donkeys
The Market Oracle ^ | 3-14-2007 | Jim_Willie_CB

Posted on 03/15/2007 10:59:26 PM PDT by ANTIROCKEFELLER

“Innovation has brought about a multitude of new products, such as subprime loans and niche credit programs for immigrants… With these advances in technology, lenders have taken advantage of credit scoring models and other techniques for efficiently extending credit to a broader spectrum of consumers… Where once more marginal applicants would simply have been denied credit, lenders are now able to quite efficiently judge the risk posed by individual applicants and to price that risk appropriately. These improvements have led to rapid growth in subprime mortgage lending,… fostering constructive innovation that is both responsive to market demand and beneficial to consumers.”-- Alan Greenspan, April 2005

(Excerpt) Read more at marketoracle.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bust; greenspan; housing; subprime
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Enough is enough. It is time to wake up and smell the monopoly money. It stinks! All of the sophmoric commentaries by the so called "experts" regarding the sub-prime lending meltdown are even less believable than the latest terrorist confession. Apparently you don't need the waterboard to turn Ivy Leagers into Federal Reserve true believers. Just give them 2 minutes of fame in front of a camera, behind a microphone or in print and they are ready to sell you the "Sub-Prime Scapegoat" story. Listen Kool-Aid drinkers, every time you here or read the phrase "sub-prime" substitute Federal Reserve. Read the above quote by Saint Alan. If you are unable to see the bigger picture, then go back and stick your head in the punch bowl. You are about to be part of an historic economic meltdown the causes of which are so transparent that you can only fail to see them with your head stuck in a giant deep purple bowl of Kool-Aid. While your head is in there you will also be blinded to the realities of open borders, free trade, global economy, NAFTA (and all the other SHAFTAS), TTC, SPP, Comprehensive Immigration Reform and on an on. Spare me the Elephant and Donkey show. To the true believers who think our emporers are wearing hazy purple garments, I can assure you they are naked.
1 posted on 03/15/2007 10:59:27 PM PDT by ANTIROCKEFELLER
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To: ANTIROCKEFELLER

Well, load up on Krugerrands, then.


2 posted on 03/15/2007 11:03:58 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: ANTIROCKEFELLER

I'm pro-Rockefeller. When I die, I want to go out with a smile on my face like Nelson...not screaming and crying like Megan Marshack.


3 posted on 03/15/2007 11:06:07 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich!)
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To: GSlob

I prefer gold eagles.


4 posted on 03/15/2007 11:06:23 PM PDT by ANTIROCKEFELLER
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To: RichInOC

Very deep thinking.


5 posted on 03/15/2007 11:07:54 PM PDT by ANTIROCKEFELLER
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To: ANTIROCKEFELLER

I was with ya in the first half...and then the anti free trade rant. Nafta is not the cause of our problems.


6 posted on 03/15/2007 11:23:46 PM PDT by spyone
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To: spyone

I am not anti-free trade. The current use of the phrase "Free Trade" has nothing to do with free market capitalism. If we were to have an in depth discussion between us regarding what free trade should be, I bet we would both agree.


7 posted on 03/15/2007 11:28:11 PM PDT by ANTIROCKEFELLER
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Perhaps....I would agree that the statements coming out of the bodies of the republic these days are out and out lies.


8 posted on 03/15/2007 11:33:51 PM PDT by spyone
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To: ANTIROCKEFELLER

I heard Larry Kudlow bleating about "subprime lending" on Hugh Hewitt's show a couple of days ago.

How big is the "subprime" mortgage industry? Sure, with consumer lending, from everything to check-cashing spots to your neighborhood loanshark, it's fairly obvious. But who would write an outrageously-risky mortgage, what with personal bankruptcy still (despite recent legal changes) so easy to attain?


9 posted on 03/15/2007 11:39:04 PM PDT by IslandJeff (if you marginalize religion, only the marginalized will have religion. -Mark Steyn)
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To: RichInOC

"When I die, I want to go out with a smile on my face like Nelson...not screaming and crying like Megan Marshack."



I couldn't find a picture of her, the young guys are probably wondering who she is.


10 posted on 03/15/2007 11:45:42 PM PDT by ansel12 (America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
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To: IslandJeff

Google news articles regarding sub-prime loans from two years ago. You will see they were touted by the experts as great products. Don't believe the disinformation that sub-prime loans are loans to people with poor credit. A large percentage of sub-prime loans were investor loans or second home loans or 100% LTV loans and many other types that were made to people with strong credit. The bottom line is that the FED made money cheap and easy to create an up business cycle they then tightened the money supply and are creating a down cycle.


11 posted on 03/15/2007 11:48:30 PM PDT by ANTIROCKEFELLER
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I see. Makes sense from an economic POV, but you would then wonder who would accept a subprime instrument for (presumably) speculative/short-term gain.

100% LTV? What responsible, publically-traded institution would write such a thing?

In short, such a thing is plausible, but not as intuitively-tangible as you might believe. There are many competing sharks in the water. Lending is an easy buck for those with liquidity, and a few foreigners are dipping their toes into the US lending market, regardless of our monetarism. Still, I'll keep an open mind. Great article.


12 posted on 03/15/2007 11:55:21 PM PDT by IslandJeff (if you marginalize religion, only the marginalized will have religion. -Mark Steyn)
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To: ANTIROCKEFELLER
FRiend, from the article:

# PRICE INFLATION IS AT 10% (disregard USGovt statistics)
# ECONOMIC GROWTH IS AT MINUS 1.4% (disregard USGovt statistics)
# THE HOUSING MARKET IS IN REVERSE

Fails to cite sources, unfortunately. 10 percent doesn't really match my (admittedly) anecdotal experience, even with fuel and commodity-pricing fluctuations. I'll cede the housing stat to, perhaps, regional differences between the extremes. Growth is likely best measured in GDP. I just don't see the problem, though I'm glad you pointed my attention to monetarism, certainly. There are likely institutional types who can pocket millions on every announcement from the Fed. Obviously, the publisher is not a big fan of floating, fiat currencies.

13 posted on 03/16/2007 12:17:06 AM PDT by IslandJeff (if you marginalize religion, only the marginalized will have religion. -Mark Steyn)
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To: IslandJeff

He did actually site the source. Here is the link http://www.shadowstats.com/cgi-bin/sgs?


14 posted on 03/16/2007 12:23:50 AM PDT by ANTIROCKEFELLER
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To: ANTIROCKEFELLER

I'm no Rockefeller but I do all right and better than my parents or grandparents. Anecdotal evidence in my own life is much more important to me than stuff I read on the internet.


15 posted on 03/16/2007 4:02:36 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: bkepley

Another deep thinking comment.


16 posted on 03/16/2007 7:26:07 AM PDT by ANTIROCKEFELLER
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To: ANTIROCKEFELLER

Oh I see...a deep thinker just accepts everything he reads on the internet.


17 posted on 03/16/2007 7:42:47 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: bkepley

No, you see nothing.


18 posted on 03/16/2007 7:50:58 AM PDT by ANTIROCKEFELLER
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To: ANTIROCKEFELLER

It would help if you used a handle other than "ANTIROCKEFELLER" which sounds like a John Birch Society member and hence not very serious.


19 posted on 03/16/2007 7:53:38 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: bkepley

So, what is your take on Greenspan's statement?


20 posted on 03/16/2007 7:59:04 AM PDT by ANTIROCKEFELLER
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