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1 posted on 03/13/2007 11:26:29 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

How dare you consider self defense. The reeducation classes have started, you just need to...


2 posted on 03/13/2007 11:40:40 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: neverdem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j73SsNFgBO4


3 posted on 03/13/2007 11:48:09 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: neverdem

Utter nonsense. Why would the Second Amendment work differently than the First? My right to free speech is seriously curtailed while I'm at work. I could go to the mall and use abusive language or bad-mouth my company's products. Can't do that at work and remain employed. It's that simple.


5 posted on 03/14/2007 12:24:49 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: neverdem

Second amendment rights trump private property rights? I don't think so, but it'd be nice if it were so (for 1st amendment too!).


6 posted on 03/14/2007 12:31:57 AM PDT by amchugh
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To: neverdem

This sounds nice, but is not the practice. Most states have laws that your guns must be disassembled during transportation. In Massachusetts, they will jail you if you even think about having a gun in your car. (Slight hyperbole there, but check out the laws in that ACLU-run state.)

Most universities ban all guns. That is quite diferent from the way things were in my youth, when my high school had a rifle team, and the members carried their rifles to school on the bus on days when they had meets. The bus driver would wish them good luck in the competitions as they borded. It was a different world then — and in most ways a better one.


12 posted on 03/14/2007 4:57:19 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: neverdem; Congressman Billybob; Carry_Okie; Joe Brower; nothingnew; Noumenon; hellinahandcart
Individual constitutional and legal rights do not end when we drive onto a business parking lot. Simply put, business property rights do not trump the Constitution or the law.

This is actually an important article. I've heard lots of incidences where cases were made that took the point of view if you are in somebody's business, their rules trump your rights (Yes, I know the article said business parking lot, not "business" but I think the principle applies. Don't property rights convey with the person, not with the property?).

13 posted on 03/14/2007 5:03:59 AM PDT by sauropod ("An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools." Ernest Hemingway)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
There are colorable arguments on both sides of this debate.

Two questions I would have for any prospective employer would be:

1) Do you yourself carry a firearm on your person or close at hand while restricting that same right to your empployees?

2) Are you prepared to incur potential liability if anything should occur as a result of your restrictive policies?

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

27 posted on 03/14/2007 7:14:46 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have two speeds: "graze" and "stampede".)
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To: neverdem

It is an interesting decision but only a District Court..


45 posted on 03/14/2007 8:48:59 AM PDT by Jim Verdolini
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50 posted on 03/14/2007 9:39:02 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: neverdem

Well employers certainly have been able to curtail the right of free speech. I think the constitution refers to the government not abridging the rights.


53 posted on 03/14/2007 10:00:43 AM PDT by carolinalivin
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To: neverdem
Nor can employers require you to waive your protected rights. They cannot, as a condition of employment, require you to give up your right to vote; neither can they require you to give up your right of self-protection or your right to keep and bear arms.

Yes, they can. A non-disclosure agreement -- a condition of many jobs -- asks you to waive your right to speak freely. A government security clearance does the same. A binding arbitration agreement waives your right to a trial by jury. Certain jobs require you to submit to a search without a warrant to access the workspace such as airline pilot. And so forth.

63 posted on 03/14/2007 5:21:42 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: neverdem
"And clearly they are also prohibited from discriminating against those who exercise their right to keep and bear arms for personal protection and other lawful purposes like hunting and target shooting."

Apparently it's not all that clear.

"Simply put, business property rights do not trump the Constitution or the law."

Some might argue that businesses don't have rights, property or otherwise, anymore than governments have rights and there are some on FR who argue that governments have powers not rights.  In any case, businesses don't do anything on their own.  They are artificial constructs, which can be considered a form of property and are owned and operated by people.  At bottom it's a matter of the rights of some people against the rights of other people. That at least one set of people owns a business is not necessarily central.

"Nor can employers require you to waive your protected rights."

If true that would mean an employer could not require a level of silence (total or about certain subjects) even if work conditions required it.  On the other hand, I can't think of a reason to include in such a requirement a prohibition on calling for an ambulance in the event of a heart attack.

This article appeals to the emotions, but that's about it.

68 posted on 03/14/2007 8:31:38 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle
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To: neverdem
In Plona v. United Parcel Service, 2007 (U.S. District Court, N.D. Ohio),

United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit

Current composition of the court

As of Susan Bieke Neilson's death on January 25, 2006, the judges on the court are:

# Title Judge Duty station Born Term of service Appointed by
Active Chief Senior
49 Chief Judge Danny Julian Boggs Louisville, KY 1944 1986–present 2003–present Reagan
40 Circuit Judge Boyce F. Martin, Jr. Louisville, KY 1935 1979–present 1996–2003 Carter
53 Circuit Judge Alice M. Batchelder Medina, OH 1944 1991–present G.H.W. Bush
54 Circuit Judge Martha Craig Daughtrey Nashville, TN 1942 1993–present Clinton
55 Circuit Judge Karen Nelson Moore Cleveland, OH 1948 1995–present Clinton
56 Circuit Judge R. Guy Cole, Jr. Columbus, OH 1951 1995–present Clinton
57 Circuit Judge Eric L. Clay Detroit, MI 1948 1997–present Clinton
58 Circuit Judge Ronald Lee Gilman Memphis, TN 1942 1997–present Clinton
59 Circuit Judge Julia Smith Gibbons Memphis, TN 1950 2002–present G.W. Bush
60 Circuit Judge John M. Rogers Lexington, KY 1948 2002–present G.W. Bush
61 Circuit Judge Jeffrey S. Sutton Columbus, OH 1960 2003–present G.W. Bush
62 Circuit Judge Deborah L. Cook Akron, OH 1952 2003–present G.W. Bush
63 Circuit Judge David W. McKeague Lansing, MI 1946 2005–present G.W. Bush
64 Circuit Judge Richard Allen Griffin Traverse City, MI 1952 2005–present G.W. Bush
Circuit Judge (vacant - seat 5) (n/a) (n/a) (n/a) (n/a) (n/a) (n/a)
Circuit Judge (vacant - seat 10) (n/a) (n/a) (n/a) (n/a) (n/a) (n/a)

78 posted on 03/15/2007 6:45:58 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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I think it time to start taking our business somewhere else and to let UPS know why we are. If they get enough complaints and enough business lost, they will see the light.


83 posted on 03/15/2007 8:29:23 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Those 1s and 0s you stepped in is a memory dump. Please clean your shoes." PC Confusious)
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To: All

I think it time to start taking our business somewhere else and to let UPS know why we are. If they get enough complaints and enough business lost, they will see the light.


84 posted on 03/15/2007 8:29:26 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Those 1s and 0s you stepped in is a memory dump. Please clean your shoes." PC Confusious)
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To: neverdem
Her employer has no right to tell her that she'll be fired if she exercises her right to have a firearm in her vehicle for protection.

Ummm...yes they do.

92 posted on 03/15/2007 11:27:06 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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