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New Jersey Judge Orders Penal Charges Against Mom for Home-Schooling
LifeSite ^ | 03/07/2007 | Meg Jalsevac

Posted on 03/09/2007 9:22:22 PM PST by LiteKeeper

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1 posted on 03/09/2007 9:22:26 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: Calpernia; TigersEye

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2 posted on 03/09/2007 9:27:27 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: LiteKeeper

I know several families who prefer to home school their own children, and very successfully, I might add, in order to keep them out of the socialist California schools.


3 posted on 03/09/2007 9:36:50 PM PST by janetgreen (DUNCAN HUNTER IN '08)
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To: LiteKeeper

Without commenting on the particulars of this case, I would suggest that society at large has a legitimate interest in determining whether young people are being educated in a way that does not disadvantage either them or the society in which they reside. Not every home-schooling or alternative-schooling agent has the best interests of their student(s) and society in view, for example, radical muslim madrassah-type indoctrinators. Some societal oversight of home-schooling and alternative-schooling is only prudent.


4 posted on 03/09/2007 9:44:08 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: janetgreen
It's krap, and it will be fought by HSLDA, no doubt.

Proud father of two homeschooled kids (one, freeper Ultra Sonic 007 is straight-A's in college -- full scholarship, no less, and the other will soon be hot at his heels.)

I get tired of the attacks on homeschoolers. If you don't have the right to educate your own child, you don't have any rights at all. It's that simple.

5 posted on 03/09/2007 9:47:36 PM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (...And we, poor fools, demand truth's noon, who scarce can bear its crescent moon.)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch
Proud father of two homeschooled kids (one, freeper Ultra Sonic 007 is straight-A's in college -- full scholarship, no less, and the other will soon be hot at his heels.)

I would be proud too!

My sons are all adults now and have been for some time, but in America today if I had young children, I would definitely home school them.

6 posted on 03/09/2007 9:50:59 PM PST by janetgreen (DUNCAN HUNTER IN '08)
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To: snarks_when_bored

["Not every home-schooling or alternative-schooling agent has the best interests of their student(s) and society in view..."]

I know that when I home-schooled my son, I did NOT have the best interests of society in view. I did have the best interests of the student (my son) in view.

You lump the two together as if they were mutually linked. Screw what society wants, especially when society is as screwed up as it is now.

["Some societal oversight of home-schooling and alternative-schooling is only prudent."]

No, it isn't. Placing the power over your children into the hands of uncaring strangers, is not going to be beneficial to anyone. And let me assure you, the school district and your local politicians and judges will have a different idea than you will about what's best for your child's education. When disagreements occur, who should be allowed to be the final arbiter?

The only oversight that the government should be allowed to provide is on whether or not the child is actually receiving an education. Not what kind of material is being taught.

Madrassa's are a completely separate issue, since they are more akin to a death cult than a school, and should be dealt with by the DHS and FBI, not your local school board.


7 posted on 03/09/2007 10:01:50 PM PST by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: pandoraou812

Hope you are feeling better pandora!


8 posted on 03/09/2007 10:03:51 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia
Thanks... I am finally feeling much better. Lela is having breathing problems tonight though so it looks like a long night for me.
9 posted on 03/09/2007 10:07:43 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: LiteKeeper; All

These children do not have to be evaluated in any way? Their father's claims have no merit?


10 posted on 03/09/2007 10:10:26 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

Your son is one sharp knife. I enjoy reading his commentary.


11 posted on 03/09/2007 10:12:58 PM PST by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: janetgreen

I am told that we have over 14,000 home schoolers here in Colorado Springs, and that there are at least 50 home school support groups spread around Colorado.


12 posted on 03/09/2007 10:15:08 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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"they lack socialization skills"

Exactly when are children being socialized in Public schools.....when they are walking quietly down the halls, in their silent lunch periods, in their classrooms where they are not allowed to speak???? My homeschool children have chances several times a week to actually interact with children of all ages. I am appalled by the judges infringements on this mom's rights.

Congratulations on your children's success in college. You were very lucky to have the opportunity to school your children at home and instill a love of learning in them. My children have blossomed and now have a enjoyment of history and learning that I didn't see until I pulled them out of public school last year.


13 posted on 03/09/2007 10:24:38 PM PST by proudtobeanamerican1 (Socialization in Public Schools?????????)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
These children do not have to be evaluated in any way? Their father's claims have no merit?

The father was perfectly happy with the arrangement until the marriage went bad. Now he is using the homeschooling issue as a means of attacking his wife and kids. It's hard to have much respect for a twit like that.

14 posted on 03/09/2007 10:32:06 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: jim35
I know that when I home-schooled my son, I did NOT have the best interests of society in view. I did have the best interests of the student (my son) in view.

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When disagreements occur, who should be allowed to be the final arbiter?

There are always competing interests; it's always a question of balancing society's expectations with the expectations of individuals. Do you hold that the best interests of your son were in no way connected with the best interests of society at large? Did you expect him to grow up to be a hermit? Probably not, so the question is in play: How do we find a balance?

We don't live in a small hamlet where folks share the same lives and opinions and modes of behavior. Frankly, I would want to know about it if somebody were teaching their kids to hate the society in which they reside and also (for example) how to make bombs to target government officials, or mall shoppers, or 'infidels' with whom they disagreed. And no doubt you would want to know about it if your neighbors were teaching their kids to do such stuff.

I don't know of any rule book that lays out just what ought to be examined and what ought to be ignored with regard to home-schooling and alternative-schooling. But any society that seeks to maintain order and continue to exist will have to have some rules about such things, and the people who wish to continue living in that society should be in favor of there being some rules of that sort.

15 posted on 03/09/2007 10:34:58 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: pandoraou812

This is a terrible story but there is good news in it for NJ parents who want to home school. This judge needs to be put in a stock and caned.


16 posted on 03/09/2007 10:54:57 PM PST by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option!)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Thanks for weighing in with the socialist view.


17 posted on 03/09/2007 10:57:36 PM PST by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option!)
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To: TigersEye
Thanks for weighing in with the socialist view.

Maybe you don't want to know whether your neighbors are teaching their kids to hate you and your family, but I want to know whether that's what my neighbors are doing. That's not socialism, it's survivalism.

18 posted on 03/09/2007 11:13:33 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: ImaGraftedBranch
Bravo!

Well said, and well done!

19 posted on 03/09/2007 11:17:55 PM PST by SAJ (debunking myths about markets and prices on FR since 2001)
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To: snarks_when_bored
No, you are suggesting statism. Your strawman about what I would or wouldn't want to know about my neighbors is irrelevant. We live in a constitutional republic where individual liberty is was revered. Individual rights are extolled in our system the state is given limited authority but no rights. There is no collective, period.
20 posted on 03/09/2007 11:23:09 PM PST by TigersEye (For Democrats; victory in Iraq is not an option!)
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